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Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2014, 11:13:13 am »

Personally I love custard donuts (right after apple fritters, which I don't really consider donuts but always get sold with them).

And IMO donut holes are a very specific relative of donuts, similar to the mini powdered donuts.
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Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2014, 11:15:20 am »

They are a gimmicky donut for sure, but still totally a donut, imo. (donut holes, not fritters)

Fritters... they have donut as an ingredient but I would not call fritters themselves donuts at all.

And on the language thing, note that while New England English is closer to traditional English, many other American dialects are... well, significantly further away than British English is. America is a big place with a lot of variation!
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Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2014, 11:15:46 am »

But they are nothing compared to the pure delicious of lemon-like-gel-substance-filled donuts. Mmmmm....
The best thing I've ever done to a donut was cut a plain glazed one in half (long ways, basically like a bagel.), and then stick each half on top of a slice of pizza and microwave it a few seconds. Donut pizza was glorious. One of these days I'm going to sugar glaze me a pizza.

I do generally prefer non-filled ones, though. Filled ones... it's hard to get one that's, like, well balanced. Most of stuff's centralized in the center of the donut, rather than spread out more equally, which I kinda'... well, dislike isn't the right word, because I will still sit down and eat like a dozen+ if I let myself, but like less. Delicious filling should be spread to all parts of the joynut, so that each bite is one of equal sugary splendor.

Which does remind me I've never actually used a donut like a bagel before. Gonna' have to get my hands on an oversized donut and make a sammich out of it. I... I also have never toasted a donut, now that I think about it. My culinary future suddenly has goals.
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Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
« Reply #18 on: March 11, 2014, 11:17:12 am »

Bah. Next you'll be telling me churros count as donuts... >:(
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Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
« Reply #19 on: March 11, 2014, 11:20:42 am »

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But nah, not really, donuts aren't crunchy or piped and the dough used is totally different. :P
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Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
« Reply #20 on: March 11, 2014, 12:44:42 pm »

I feel that donuts are a subgroup of pastries, meaning things like fritters, churros, and turnovers are different, primarily because of the end texture of the pastry. As I have just eaten a donut I feel that I have acquired a small amount of temporary expertise on the subject - a thinning in the metaphorical membrane separating man- and donut-kind.
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Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
« Reply #21 on: March 11, 2014, 12:45:56 pm »

As I have just eaten a donut I feel that I have acquired a small amount of temporary expertise on the subject - a thinning in the metaphorical membrane separating man- and donut-kind.

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Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
« Reply #22 on: March 11, 2014, 05:25:27 pm »

Professional and personal donut baker here. In answer to the question: No.

My personal favorite is this sour creme-based drop donut that I make on my own time (because obviously I don't make enough of them at work). The temperature of the oil is set closer to on old fashioned, and they aren't shaped before they're dropped into the oil. They seem closer in size and shape to a donut hole than a donut, but everyone still calls them a donut. If they aren't calling them delicious. :3

I really need to experiment with filling them.
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Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
« Reply #23 on: March 11, 2014, 05:41:13 pm »

Can we at least agree that custard doughnuts are terrible though?
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Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
« Reply #24 on: March 11, 2014, 05:51:50 pm »

A geometric "doughnut" or any "doughnut" in math must have a hole in it.

If we are talking about names in cultures and food, there aren't really many rules. Some countries even call white chocolate a chocolate instead of a candy even though it has no chocolate liquor in it, just cacao butter.
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Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
« Reply #25 on: March 11, 2014, 06:51:28 pm »

And on the language thing, note that while New England English is closer to traditional English, many other American dialects are... well, significantly further away than British English is. America is a big place with a lot of variation!
I believe he was referring to the American/British English spelling split (which originated with the publication of the first major dictionaries; modern British English is more or less in line with Johnson's spellings, American English with Webster's).

Though on the subject of dialects, if my memory serves, Appalachian dialects are actually quite similar to Elizabethan-era English. Also, the classic "Southern drawl" is derived from the speech habits of the British nobility a few centuries ago; the proto-middle-class wealthy families that owned those plantations tended to imitate the nobility, as was often the case for the moneyed but untitled in those days, and that happened to stick.

Of course it's also somewhat of a moot point, because there isn't really such a thing as "true" English in the historical sense; once you go back farther than the early-modern stuff (place it at c. 1500 CE, more or less), it's pretty much unrecognizable. Old English is functionally a foreign language, and in some respects is farther from modern English than the modern Romance languages are from each other. Middle English was a radical transformation of the language (paralleling socio-political events of the time), and the transition into what we can consider "modern" English during the English Renaissance is arguably just as significant a change. In functional terms, the English of the days of Henry VIII is scarcely more alien to modern English speakers than the various dialects of the former British Empire. The primary difference is that we confuse poor schoolchildren by forcing them to study it without any explanation of the language or of the historical context or references of what they're reading.

But yes, according to the linguists and scholars who study Elizabethan-era England who I have spoken with, if you want to know what Londoners sounded like, Appalachia isn't a poor starting point. o.0

Now what was this thread about?

Oh, yes. Donuts need holes, and they don't count if they have a nasty filling; those are called "rubbish". Ones with good filling are pretty much just pastries in the generic sense, no need to make them out to be something they aren't.
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Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
« Reply #26 on: March 11, 2014, 07:07:37 pm »

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Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
« Reply #27 on: March 11, 2014, 07:26:24 pm »

A geometric "doughnut" or any "doughnut" in math must have a hole in it.
Are we going the math route? Let's go the math route.

Stereotypical donuts are toroids. You'll notice, however, that a torus with an axis of revolution that approaches zero degenerates into a 2-sphere, which for our purposes is functionally a sphere (second pic on the right). Or in this case, a donut hole. Even better, a torus where the axis of revolution is less than the radius of the circle is a spindle torus (sixth pic on the right), which can be seen to include a space in the middle that could possibly hold filling. Some sort of mathematically-exact custard, perhaps.

So yes, the variations all count. Quod Erat Doughnut.
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Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
« Reply #28 on: March 11, 2014, 07:34:20 pm »

So yes, the variations all count. Quod Erat Doughnut.
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Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
« Reply #29 on: March 11, 2014, 07:35:17 pm »

Note: originally doughnuts where spiral to aid in even cooking.

The food ones atleast.
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