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[Tarran]

I also do not understand why they couldn't add space cities to the mix. Moving cities already exist, space layer already exists, so what the hell?

I guess that is just going to be the next expansion.

Well, the space layer at the moment seems to just be a, well, invisible layer on top of the land layer as far as I can tell, though I could be wrong. If that's the case, however, space cities probably... would require a bit more effort than changing sea cities, since it would then be a matter of creating a whole new plane of activity, rather than modifying an existing one. I could be totally wrong, though, and it could be really easy.

Alternatively, maybe they don't want to have space cities. Don't know, really.

I think the greatest problem with diplomacy is that there is never a reason not to accept a deal. When you make a treaty proposed by other guy, he gets a bonus, sure, but you get diplomatic points. You lose nothing. So unless you don't want to support someone in the lead, it is always worth it.

Yeah, currently that's a big problem in diplomacy. Among other things. It really is in a sad state at the moment, like they went halfway to creating something interesting, creating a platform for new and exciting diplomacy... then didn't put in half the features required to make it exciting and interesting, leaving instead a platform where half of what you'd want to do is impossible.

[Chiefwaffles]

It seems kind of like they wanted to distance themselves from the old Civ diplomacy as much as possible.

Also an expanded space layer is almost certain in my mind for another expansion. If there is one.

[Astral]

I got the expansion. How the hell do they manage to unbalance a game so egregiously: the Chinese civ bonus is now: each city gets to build its first wonder for free.

Might you be loading a mod that changes that? I thought they started out with a spy and got science after each successful mission. Because that does seem a bit off kilter, even for BE's first expansion.

I like the PAC, as I tend toward production oriented races (building tall instead of wide), and they fit in a similar slot as the Egyptians, where they let me control the wonders. Wonders don't seem nearly as powerful in BE as they do in Civilization, though, and most tend to affect only a single city, so spreading them out isn't necessarily in your best interests, unless you like decentralization.

[Tarran]

I got the expansion. How the hell do they manage to unbalance a game so egregiously: the Chinese civ bonus is now: each city gets to build its first wonder for free.

Might you be loading a mod that changes that? I thought they started out with a spy and got science after each successful mission. Because that does seem a bit off kilter, even for BE's first expansion.

No, that's the "Korean" civ, the new green one.

The "chinese" one is the one bright purple one in the base game. In the base they started with a bonus to wonder production.

[Majestic7]

Is that free as in "free upkeep" or free as in "get it instantly and at no cost"? I presumed it to be the first.

[Sartain]

Is that free as in "free upkeep" or free as in "get it instantly and at no cost"? I presumed it to be the first.

I figured it was free upkeep/no resource cost for building, because the alternative seems insane.

[Niveras]

On the other hand, at least in my opinion of base Civ:BE, wonders tend to be pretty anemic compared to what they did in previous Civ games.

But it still sucks to lose them to such an overpowered mechanic, and even if the wonders themselves are weak it is still a way more powerful mechanic than anything the other sponsors have.

In reading other things, one person thought that maybe it was a typo and should be "first worker per city is free", which is still powerful and would make more sense.

But given Rising Tide is, you know, released, it should be real easy to settle this.

[Tarran]

Civ selection says: "The first Wonder built in every city is free. +1 Diplomatic Capital from Wonders."

Civilopedia says the exact same.

When building a wonder in my capital: 1 turn production.



So it's not a typo, it's exactly what it says on the tin.

[Tarran]

I don't know, really. It wouldn't be overpowered if it was in the capital, but one per city is a bit baffling.

The only downside I could see is that it doesn't work for wonder stacking on one city. You'd have to spread the wonders all around the colony if you wanted to take full advantage of it.

[Descan]

This feels like a bonus that'd be... ~kind~ of balanced, purely in lower-difficulty single player, where the player will ALREADY pretty easily get all the wonders, so in exchange for a guarantee of getting them, the player gives up wonder stacking.

That is a REALLY round-about way to look at it, and for what little that is "balanced," it's very restricted and probably not what they were going for, but it's up to anyone to figure out WHAT they were thinking with this one...

[umiman]

Sounds like a load of bullshit to me. You're right. That's total horseshit. What nonsense balance is that?

[Tarran]

Interestingly, there's a small quirk: The bonus doesn't apply to artifact-based wonders. Might be a bug.

[Bouchart]

I remember playing CBE during the free weekend some time ago and thinking the wonders were all somewhat underwhelming anyway.

[Nuttycompa]

This is the game I really want to love, I like it core idea but offer too little for both gameplay and RP perspective.
And the new hybrid affinity make my inner OCD scream in agony ( OK, I have red-black looking city with mostly white army and black airforce Argggggg)

[IronyOwl]

The Wonder thing makes a lot more sense if you assume that you're:

A. Supposed to build every Wonder you research, or at least want to
B. Not research anywhere near every Wonder, at least anytime near the first person to get it does

Which, let's face it, has always been kind of the idea on paper and never been especially well implemented in practice. I don't think most people use wonders the way they're intended to use wonders.