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[ShadowHammer]

I'm voting for procedurally generated loot as the next thing.

[sjm9876]

...... We could really do with having some stats to modify before having procedural loot.
Rough general rogue-like list:
Health
Armour
Dodge rate
Attack speed
Move speed
Damage
mana (if spells)
Attributes
etc....

We just need to decide whether to go with standard stats or something different.

[Moghjubar]

Proc gen loot without stats =... random names?

Definitely need stats. But also before equipment gen...

We may need equipment slots

[NAV]

+1 to the stats sjm suggested.

Leveling up should make the characters beard grow. Eventually it would trail several tiles behind a high level character.

[ShadowHammer]

I'm changing my vote to stats.

[hermes]

If stats are added, what do they each mean in terms of gameplay?  For example, health is easy enough to link to a health bar, but what does, say, dodge mean in an action rpg?  Rate of acceleration?

Also, do you guys want to go full DF and have stats for everything, or go minimalist and have just 5 or so that are checked for everything?  E.g. For movement you could have acceleration based on weight, strength, agility, shoe type versus floor type, number of legs, athletics skill and walking experience .... Or, just have a single speed stat.

[Moghjubar]

Minimalist, cause if you make it crazy, it will take forever to work with later (tweaks, balancing, etc.)

If you must make it a bit more complex (speedwise anyway): STR - total weight + speedstat  + item speedmods =total character movement speed    (and make weapon speed just be weapon based, no character stat mods)


As for dodge, for an action rpg, you can do it one of [at least] 3 ways (assuming dodge doesn't effect normal movement)
1: action button to go into dodge-roll state (like dark souls).  Dodge stat mod effects beginning/end, speed, invuln frames, whatnot
2: passive dodge1 (aka, a sword goes thru your body.  -DODGE- appears above character, 0 damage).  Kinda wacky for action games where if you hit something yer supposed to hit it.
3: passive dodge2 (aka, sword still hits you but its a glancing blow, so damage reduction effectively).
And of course, the no-dodge stat and base whatever else on other stats (if you do dodge roll, base on speed, etc) 

[notquitethere]

+1 minimalist unique stats.

My suggestions:

Potential stats:
Fortune: affects chance of good loot appearing and small bonus to attacks and defence
Bloodymindedness: amount of temporary hit points you gain after you kill an enemy.
Inventory Limit: how many items/equipment slots you have.

Hitpoint Suggestion: hit points can only be gained by killing enemies (i.e. no regeneration or potions)
Items over stats: Random loot is more important mechanically than your stats. (Do we even need player stats?)

[Moghjubar]

Combine Bloodymindedness above with earlier suggestion: Beard grows as level up, add some flavor, rename to:
Grizzle: chance to shrug off blows, beard length (as descriptor at least, maybe the trailing thing later?), temp hp if you kill something in combat, and overall stamina.

[notquitethere]

Combine Bloodymindedness above with earlier suggestion: Beard grows as level up, add some flavor, rename to:
Grizzle: chance to shrug off blows, beard length (as descriptor at least, maybe the trailing thing later?), temp hp if you kill something in combat, and overall stamina.

YES +! tenacious beard growth

This is why we throw ideas between one another.

[sjm9876]

YES

[IndigoFenix]

Idea for overall game structure: you are underground, everything is solid rock that you can mine through.

The game world is infinite rock in all directions.  You can do this by having the camera focus on the player.  The player's coordinates remain the same, when you "move" you are actually moving all other objects around you in the opposite position.  Features are generated or destroyed when you travel a certain distance away from them.

You can find gems and metal in the ground.  Gems are for points, metal lets you make weapons and armor.  There are also randomly generated caverns you can come across where you will find monsters and maybe friends with missions for you.  These are generated off-screen before you reach them.

You can only mine for so long before your pick breaks, at which point you must forge a new one... or be trapped forever in the darkness.

Objective: survive as long as possible in the ever-shifting depths.

Edit: Also... in addition to HP, you have a sanity meter.  Sanity lowers if you spend too much time tunneling outside of natural caverns, so you have to face monsters at some point.

[notquitethere]

I like the idea of mining (burrowing in roguelikes can be great fun, see Caves of Qud for instance) but the rock idea doesn't gel with the whale concept.

[IndigoFenix]

Oh, have we settled on the whale idea?  I was looking at the non-whale-like screenshots and figured it was still up in the air.  *Shrug*  Well burrowing through living meat IS pretty hardcore.

[sjm9876]

To be fair, some of that still works.
I quite like the sanity idea, 'specially as.... y'know, burrowing thru living meat.