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Golbolco

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Are caravans underground possible?
« on: April 17, 2014, 05:47:34 am »

I'm modding in a race that lives underground and sends caravans. Will wagons be unable to traverse the caverns, and therefore I'll have to send them like how the elves do - no wagons? Or will their caravans just turn up on land anyways?
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Re: Are caravans underground possible?
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2014, 05:22:02 pm »

Caravans can leave via the caverns, but they will never enter underground, sorry.
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Re: Are caravans underground possible?
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2014, 07:11:30 pm »

Do you know if this can be changed somewhere in the raws?
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Re: Are caravans underground possible?
« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2014, 02:14:11 am »

It can't.
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Re: Are caravans underground possible?
« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2014, 05:22:20 am »

Maybe possible with dfhack. Teleports the caravan into the caverns as soon as it spawns on the map. But thats only a potential script, that has not been done yet.
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Re: Are caravans underground possible?
« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2014, 07:21:56 am »

Maybe possible with dfhack. Teleports the caravan into the caverns as soon as it spawns on the map. But thats only a potential script, that has not been done yet.

The wagons wont spawn if there is no 3 tile connection to the depot.
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Re: Are caravans underground possible?
« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2014, 09:48:21 am »

I said teleport after it spawned on the surface. Some civs dont even bring wagons at all btw.
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Re: Are caravans underground possible?
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2014, 10:00:51 am »

I said teleport after it spawned on the surface. Some civs dont even bring wagons at all btw.
For the caravan to spawn at all, there needs to be a path to a trade depot.  If one is turtling away from the surface, there won't be any caravans.

A decoy trade depot on the surface might work, but I've heard strange things happen when a wagon tries to re-path to another depot.
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Re: Are caravans underground possible?
« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2014, 10:11:07 am »

I said teleport after it spawned on the surface. Some civs dont even bring wagons at all btw.
For the caravan to spawn at all, there needs to be a path to a trade depot.  If one is turtling away from the surface, there won't be any caravans.

A decoy trade depot on the surface might work, but I've heard strange things happen when a wagon tries to re-path to another depot.

Like leaving?
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Re: Are caravans underground possible?
« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2014, 10:32:41 am »

I said teleport after it spawned on the surface. Some civs dont even bring wagons at all btw.
For the caravan to spawn at all, there needs to be a path to a trade depot.  If one is turtling away from the surface, there won't be any caravans.

A decoy trade depot on the surface might work, but I've heard strange things happen when a wagon tries to re-path to another depot.

Like leaving?
More like getting stuck in one spot, preventing that civ from ever sending another caravan.  Whoever discovered all this had something ludicrous like nine trade depots, each hide-able behind a drawbridge.
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Re: Are caravans underground possible?
« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2014, 12:38:12 pm »

Caravan != Wagon.

If there is no three tile path, they will spawn a caravan with pack animals, instead of pull animals.
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Re: Are caravans underground possible?
« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2014, 12:47:23 pm »

Caravan != Wagon.

If there is no three tile path, they will spawn a caravan with pack animals, instead of pull animals.
I do remember that pathing for wagons was particularly difficult, but the notion was that if there is no path to a depot, not even an on-foot caravan will show up.  If caravans only spawn on the surface, that means there needs to be (at least a decoy) trade depot accessible from the surface.
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Re: Are caravans underground possible?
« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2014, 12:49:06 pm »

Perhaps this will be possible in the next update since we're getting underground sites.
So go ahead and cyrogenically freeze yourself for the next year and a half, eh?
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Re: Are caravans underground possible?
« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2014, 09:51:07 am »

A pack animal caravan will still show up even if no depot is accessable at the time. I've accidently forgot to leave the drawbridges down on more occasions than I can recall to testify to this with.
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Re: Are caravans underground possible?
« Reply #14 on: April 20, 2014, 06:05:14 pm »

A pack animal caravan will still show up even if no depot is accessable at the time. I've accidently forgot to leave the drawbridges down on more occasions than I can recall to testify to this with.
Then I mis-read the facepalm thread :)  This helps, since then the teleport script will work as expected.
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