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Re: Rise of the Magic Girls v3 OOC: More characters for the character throne!
« Reply #4800 on: August 11, 2014, 09:30:15 pm »

Am I running this for you slackers?

Shit. Could I give her a piece of equipment to ensure that she doesn't just heal a boss back up to full?

Umm... no. That takes away all the fun.
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« Reply #4801 on: August 11, 2014, 09:31:24 pm »

I'll run it if you let me stop Mary from being a liability to the team :P
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« Reply #4802 on: August 11, 2014, 10:16:17 pm »

Spoiler: Test Dummy (click to show/hide)

M1:[2]MAG [3]N3
M2:[2]MAG [3]N3
M3:[2]MAG [2]N2
N1:[2]MAG [4]Mary
N2:[1]PHY [2]M2
N3:[2]MAG [3]M3

Turn Order Rolls (SPD)
M1:8
M2:8
M3:1
Mary:9+3
N1:7
N2:10
N3:3
Nevlyn:2

Turn Order is: Mary, N2, M1, M2, N1, N3, Nevlyn, M3

Mary charges her magic

N2 attacks M2 [1 vs 12] and fails

M1 attacks N3 [8 vs 8] and fails

M2 attacks N3 [5 vs 4] and hits dealing [3x1.5 vs 10] no damage

N1 attacks Mary [10 vs 12+3] and fails

N3 attacks M3 [3 vs 8] and fails

Nevlyn creates a totem, ((what do the totems of Create Totem do?))

M3 attacks N2 [2 vs 12] and fails

HP and MP:
Mary 90/90 40/40
N2 42/42 28/28
M1 42/42 26/28
M2 42/42 26/28
N1 42/42 26/28
N3 42/42 26/28
Nevlyn 30/30 10/10
M3 42/42 26/28
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« Reply #4803 on: August 11, 2014, 10:24:36 pm »

((I believe that I listed it in his sheet, either way they also allow him to use his abilities.))
Nevlyn draws his sword and runs behind one of Mary's mooks and slashes at the back of it's knee joints.
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« Reply #4804 on: August 11, 2014, 10:32:32 pm »

Oh, so it's that Jaguar Totem, right? I thought they were two separate abilities >__<

Mary: Change form

M1:[2]MAG [4]Nevlyn
M2:[2]MAG [1]N1
M3:[2]MAG [4]Nevlyn
N1:[2]MAG [3]M3
N2:[2]MAG [4]Mary
N3:[2]MAG [3]M3
Nevlyn: PHY [3]M3
(Random.org keeps on rolling twos for some reason when the range is set for 1-2)

Mary changes her form

N2 attacks Mary [11 vs 10+3] and fails

M1 attacks Nevlyn [1 vs 3] and fails

M2 attacks N1 [2 vs 5] and fails

N1 attacks M3 [12 vs 5] and hits dealing [11*1.5 vs 11] 5 damage (rounding down)

N3 attacks M3 [10 vs 5] and hits dealing [6*1.5 vs 12] no damage

Nevlyn attacks M3 [16 vs 4] and hits dealing [5+5 vs 6] 4 damage (not sure what happened here, I had to reroll SKL a few times since Random.org kept on rolling less than 5 for Nevlyn)

M3 attacks Nevlyn [8 vs 7] and hits dealing [8*1.5 vs 5+1-1] 7 damage
(Yeah, magic is definitely OP seeing as Nevlyn should be dealing far more damage than these mooks if they didn't keep on rolling twos for attack type.))

HP and MP:
Mary 90/90 20/20
N2 42/42 26/28
M1 42/42 24/28
M2 42/42 24/28
N1 42/42 24/28
N3 42/42 24/28
Nevlyn 23/30 10/10
M3 33/42 24/28
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« Reply #4805 on: August 11, 2014, 10:36:44 pm »

((So no bonuses for targetting specific parts?  :P))
Nelyn uses Jaguar Pounce on Mary.
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« Reply #4806 on: August 11, 2014, 10:51:54 pm »

((Not until Smurfington gets a system for that up and running, plus I have no idea how physical attack-based debuffs would work.))

Mary: Sacrifical Heal M3

M1:[2]MAG [3]N3
M2:[1]PHY [1]N1
M3:[1]PHY [2]N2
N1:[2]MAG [3]M3
N2:[1]PHY [4]Mary
N3:[1]PHY [2]M2

Mary heals M3 for 4 (rounded down) HP (I'll be using Alice's TNs for her spells, minor has no TN it seems)

N2 attacks Mary [5 vs 9+3] and fails

M1 attacks N3 [9 vs 12] and fails

M2 attacks N1 [2 vs 9] and fails

N1 attacks M3 [9 vs 5] and hits dealing [1*1.5 vs 6] no damage

N3 attacks M3 [10 vs 10] and fails

Nevlyn uses Jaguar's Pounce on Mary [5/3] (that's for the TN) [15 vs 3+3] and hits dealing [7*2*4/3 vs 11] 8 damage (rounding up)

M3 attacks N2 [11 vs 1] and hits dealing [2 vs 7] no damage

HP and MP:
Mary 82/90 18/20
N2 42/42 26/28
M1 42/42 22/28
M2 42/42 24/28
N1 42/42 22/28
N3 42/42 24/28
Nevlyn 23/30 6/10
M3 37/42 24/28
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« Reply #4807 on: August 11, 2014, 10:56:20 pm »

((I still don't understand why magic can fail. ))

Not making the TN is equal to failing. The mana isn't wasted or anything. You just don't manage to cast it that turn, and can still continue to cast it next turn.

((It's the equivalent of thinking you need to take a big shit, and only a fart comes out.))

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Failing the TN is not equal to failing, and does not use any mana. It simply delays the spell. If the same action is attempted next turn, the TN is decreased, so the spell will most likely get done now. Interpret it as more difficult magic needing more energy and concentration, so occasionaly you may simply need longer than usual in the chaos of battle. It's what I originaly intended as the main balancing factor of magic.


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Walpurga goes on to finish Kyle off, by rising him in the air and moving all his limbs into a different direction! (enormous category spell. Depending on the damage dealt, this will debuff Kyle from his arms and legs being proper fucked up, or if very high, tear some of them off.)
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« Reply #4808 on: August 11, 2014, 10:59:07 pm »

"I'm gonna show you a real ubermensch!"
Kyle expands the air in Walpurga's lungs.
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« Reply #4809 on: August 11, 2014, 11:01:33 pm »

((as a note, it's always useful to add for the GM what it is exactly that you are doing mechanicaly. Kyle only has 2 mana left, so the spell can only be minor, but in less obvious situations, it's always best to clarify what it is exactly what you are doing, to leave the GM less guesswork))
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« Reply #4810 on: August 11, 2014, 11:01:58 pm »

Should we end our combat test? At this rate, it's going to take a while for anything of note to happen. Since currently, Mary's sheet has nothing in it to allow her to determine when she can actually damage Nevlyn and the Dummies have issues with hitting just about anything. Meanwhile Nevlyn has rather low MP.

So either it's going to take quite a while to whittle Mary down to zero, or, Nevlyn will get knocked out by a Dummy without Mary actually attacking him.
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« Reply #4811 on: August 11, 2014, 11:06:05 pm »

I don't know what that would be to be honest. I would rather leave it up to the GM and hope that what I think would be an easy thing to do won't be super expensive.

Sure.

So the basic thing we learned is Mary needs the solemn vow to be useful.
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« Reply #4812 on: August 11, 2014, 11:08:13 pm »

Basically Mary needs to be able to tell whether or not a person is going to get healed or harmed whilst Nevlyn needs to gain some physical special attacks so that trying a surprise double amputation actually does something.

Let's see... I will assume that Nevlyn wields a Macuahuitl with continuous edges. Not too sure whether or not it being unbreakable would affect it much seeing as those are pretty damn durable to begin with.

These weapons take more time and room to use than a normal sword, since they cannot thrust or stab. That being said, there have also been accounts of them decapitating horses in a single slash, so their weight and sharpness definitely makes them dangerous. Plus they can bludgeon people as well.

Here's what I'm thinking: have some physical attacks that are performed with a penalty to SKL but which can inflict a SPD debuff, things like cutting at the legs or bludgeoning. Then, have some cleaving physical attacks that are performed with a penalty to SKL but a bonus to STR. Effectively, it allows for high physical damage to be dealt but it requires a bit of set-up. It may be hard to hit with the initial debuff, but afterwards it could snowball enough that the high-powered attacks can be reliably used.
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« Reply #4813 on: August 11, 2014, 11:21:29 pm »

The Mary health detector thing is allowed, although it will only tell you if your attack will heal or hurt it.

The problem with limb-removing special attacks is that high-health characters (especially Issei) would be too greatly effected by it. I would build up a better VATS-style physical combat system... but I've got two maths assignments due in a few days, so fark.
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« Reply #4814 on: August 11, 2014, 11:25:00 pm »

Then why not just make a table for damge to debuff ratios?
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