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IronSI

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Re: DFHack 0.40.13-r1
« Reply #1245 on: October 27, 2014, 06:19:54 pm »

It is already split into three with the combat/labor/misc split in game (v - g - {c, l, m}) breaking down the skills further might be good though.
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« Reply #1246 on: October 28, 2014, 02:41:45 am »

They aren't really categorized (as far as I know). There is a loose categorization on the wiki, but that's by no means rigid.

The question I have for categories is about the outiers, for example, where should Building Designer or Record Keeper go? Should there be a medical skills category? I was thinking the break down would be;

Labor (all the hard labor stuff)
Administrative (things like Record Keeper, Organizer, etc...)
Social (things like Negotiation)
Medical (all medical skills)
Military (all military skills)

But is that too many categories? And what about strange ones like Alchemy, Swimming, etc... Thoughts?

These categories are great, for the others skills that dont fit in it maybe just add a misc category for them? In what order you gonna place them?
1 Labor, 2 millitary, 3 medical, 4 administrative and 5 socials?

Another suggestion, well maybe a lillte bit weird but i thought for the health status adding a kind of stick figure representing the dwarf, maybe like that:

  O
_/|\_
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  / \
 -   -
When all part is green it mean hes in good shape, and add color to body part when they are missing or bruised etc..

Edit: personally i would put record keeper in administrative, and building designer in a misc category, maybe. Well Palu was kind of right, they kinda already categorized on the game. But using these category from the game would be too much. In game there a category for the engineering skills, maybe add that?

Edit2: If a skill is not activated on a dwarf and have experience on it, is it gonna be shown on the list?
« Last Edit: October 28, 2014, 03:00:44 am by Vanst7 »
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Re: DFHack 0.40.13-r1
« Reply #1247 on: October 28, 2014, 09:41:05 am »

Another suggestion, well maybe a lillte bit weird but i thought for the health status adding a kind of stick figure representing the dwarf, maybe like that:

  O
_/|\_
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  / \
 -   -
When all part is green it mean hes in good shape, and add color to body part when they are missing or bruised etc..
That's a good idea except for two things: First, you can't guarantee that the screen font's punctuation isn't all screwy and Second, I'm not sure if DF is very helpful about telling you that a bruised pancreas is inside the lowerbody in order to color-code nicely.

It's conceivable to draw line-art on the DF screen (Stonesense overlay and an experimental build of TWBT did it), but it seems to be a pretty hardcore undertaking.

Edit: Actually it isn't line art, both of them are blitting images to the DF screen.  But they are images that aren't confined to the character grid.
« Last Edit: October 28, 2014, 10:36:52 am by Dirst »
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Re: DFHack 0.40.13-r1
« Reply #1248 on: October 28, 2014, 10:11:35 am »

Yeah, I think I will steer away from something as complicated as that, seeing as how the health screen already does a good job. Not that I don't think it would be awesome to have included, but limited time means I would rather work on other things instead. Maybe after I release it, if someone is interested, they can try and put it in themselves.

I was just thinking that it might be nice to be able to select a syndrome or interaction and learn more about what it does. Say I select "Beast Sickness", it would tell me what affects it is having on the dwarf (e.g. Pain, severity X, time to peak Y, time to end Z, etc...). I already have all that information, I just didn't want to put it on the main screen because if you have 4 different syndromes on, each with 5 different effects, you quickly crowd out the screen. But putting them in their own screen is certainly do-able.

Also, with different colors related to the rusty/very rusty skills, I could make attributes appear in different colors depending on if they are above or below normal, depending on if there is a syndrome affecting them. That way, at a quick glance, you could see if a syndrome is lowering your Dwarf's stats, or if they are just an usually weak Dwarf.

Edit2: If a skill is not activated on a dwarf and have experience on it, is it gonna be shown on the list?
Currently it takes all of the skills of the Dwarf, active or not, as long as they have some experience in the skill.
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« Reply #1249 on: October 28, 2014, 11:36:15 am »

I though about something like that at some point a few years back and made some mockups.

It would certainly make recognizing health issues at a quick glance easier, but at the very least you would have to separate mannequins for blood vessels, nervous tissue, skeletal structure, and organs plus skin to keep it reasonably clear.
Blinking could be used to denote injuries.

Spoiler: old mockups (click to show/hide)

As it has been mentioned though, this would be quite the work to do. I'd reckon you'd need 4 (as per separation mentioned above) generic mannequins for vertebrates (skull, 4 extremities, tail), several for arthropods with various # of extremities and some more for mollusks and similarly diverse animals. That's 20-30 compound images that have to be created, every one with all possible wound "overlays".
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Re: DFHack 0.40.13-r1
« Reply #1250 on: October 28, 2014, 12:56:47 pm »

I though about something like that at some point a few years back and made some mockups.

It would certainly make recognizing health issues at a quick glance easier, but at the very least you would have to separate mannequins for blood vessels, nervous tissue, skeletal structure, and organs plus skin to keep it reasonably clear.
Blinking could be used to denote injuries.

Spoiler: old mockups (click to show/hide)

As it has been mentioned though, this would be quite the work to do. I'd reckon you'd need 4 (as per separation mentioned above) generic mannequins for vertebrates (skull, 4 extremities, tail), several for arthropods with various # of extremities and some more for mollusks and similarly diverse animals. That's 20-30 compound images that have to be created, every one with all possible wound "overlays".

WOW CLA, this is genious! You should suggest that to Toady for the Dwarf health screen. It's amazing.
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« Reply #1251 on: October 28, 2014, 09:40:24 pm »

That would be cool but it would take a LOT of work and it would only be effective for humanoid races.
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Re: DFHack 0.40.13-r1
« Reply #1252 on: October 29, 2014, 12:30:04 am »

Couldn't you get a similar effect by just rearranging where the existing part damage indicators show up?

Have them painted on an overlay like:
-------------------Headparts
-------------------Moarheadparts
-------------------Neck
---------------Upper Body
R. Upper Arm -Spine- L. Upper Arm
R. Lower Arm -Guts-- L. Lower Arm
R. Hand ----Lower Body---- L. Hand
-------R. Upper Leg L. Upper Leg
-------R. Lower Leg L. Lower Leg
---------R. Foot ----------L. Foot
Heck, use that as a framework to put the equipment screen onto as well, so you could toggle between equipment slots/outer tissues/inner tissues, with the option to click on a body part and expand the pieces/display damaged parts maybe?

Seems like it would be easier than implementing a full graphical system atm.
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Re: DFHack 0.40.13-r1
« Reply #1253 on: October 29, 2014, 10:00:09 am »

I think for now I am going to avoid any sort of graphical representation of the creature, and just work on displaying more information about syndromes and interactions, categorizing skills, and then a little polish before releasing it
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« Reply #1254 on: October 29, 2014, 01:23:46 pm »

Would it be possible to view, in adventure mode, other entities thoughts and emotional state like you can for fort mode?

It would be a really useful tool, not just for bug analysis, but other things too.

Edit: Well, maybe not thoughts, but seeing the emotional state of an entity should be possible.
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Re: DFHack 0.40.13-r1
« Reply #1255 on: October 29, 2014, 03:32:04 pm »

Just ask them how they're feeling, for thoughts.

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« Reply #1256 on: October 29, 2014, 06:31:33 pm »

True, though it doesn't always seem consistent, but theres always room for improvement.
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« Reply #1257 on: October 30, 2014, 02:37:51 am »

Hi, is it possible to make support for input\output  Utf8 text for DFHAK ?
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Re: DFHack 0.40.13-r1
« Reply #1258 on: October 30, 2014, 03:38:56 am »

I think it already does that.
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« Reply #1259 on: October 30, 2014, 04:55:28 am »

No, its not work

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