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Re: Things that made you laugh today: Unlimited Laugh Works
« Reply #11565 on: January 28, 2021, 01:12:33 pm »

Oh one more thing: looking at /r/neoliberal being butthurt right now is delicious. I know no place to think so consistently upside down, I even read somewhere hedgefunds hurt rich more than poor, and why do they hate the global south. Makes me really wonder if one could destroy an allready non-functional brain, and if so which tools would be best suited; wonder from a philosophical point of view of course...
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« Reply #11566 on: January 28, 2021, 01:14:52 pm »

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« Reply #11567 on: January 28, 2021, 03:11:29 pm »


"Twitch Plays Gamestop Management"

EDIT: Wait, someone bailed out the short sellers? Socialism for the rich and capitalism for the rest is right.
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Re: Things that made you laugh today: Unlimited Laugh Works
« Reply #11568 on: January 28, 2021, 03:52:03 pm »

Isn't there currently more shorted shares than real shares? (which in itself is questionably legal)

Is that how they work, they borrow out pretend shares?

From what I understand, shorting stocks normally works by me borrowing stocks, which I will sell immediately and later buy again to give back, and I pocket the difference between the selling price when I borrowed, and the buy back price when I return the shares.  The idea is I make money when the stock's price falls, and I'd lose money if the price rose.  Gamestop was a common shorting target because nobody has any hope for the failing game store, so it's reasonable to guess it's stock value will fall.

The illegality comes when I take my borrowed shares and sell more of them (to different buyers) then I borrowed.
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« Reply #11569 on: January 28, 2021, 07:26:06 pm »

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« Reply #11570 on: January 28, 2021, 07:48:07 pm »

Right girl could totally play that girl!Robin in a live action Dark Knight Returns if they ever make one...
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« Reply #11571 on: January 29, 2021, 02:08:38 am »

Isn't there currently more shorted shares than real shares? (which in itself is questionably legal)

Is that how they work, they borrow out pretend shares?

From what I understand, shorting stocks normally works by me borrowing stocks, which I will sell immediately and later buy again to give back, and I pocket the difference between the selling price when I borrowed, and the buy back price when I return the shares.  The idea is I make money when the stock's price falls, and I'd lose money if the price rose.  Gamestop was a common shorting target because nobody has any hope for the failing game store, so it's reasonable to guess it's stock value will fall.

The illegality comes when I take my borrowed shares and sell more of them (to different buyers) then I borrowed.

The illegal thing is naked shorting.  When you make a transaction, you have three days to actually transfer the money/shares before the transaction fails.  So you sell shares you don't have, wait for the price to drop, then buy and transfer them before the failure to deliver pops, pocketing the difference between your sell and buy price.  If you do it clean, it's pretty hard to detect, but if a bunch of failure to deliver alerts start popping the SEC will notice, and it's illegal in the US.

What's happening right now is mostly double-dipping, firms lending shares that were already borrowed so they get double-counted for calculating short interest.  I'm pretty sure that's not illegal, and in a normal situation everybody would close out their trades eventually and re-square the numbers.  This is not a normal situation though.  The short sellers have to buy shares to cut their losses if the price goes up, but they're on the hook for more shares than actually exist and the ones that do exist are in the possession of vengeful retail investors who refuse to sell them.  The price jumps we've seen are gamma squeezes, which is just the short sellers buying call options (which profit when the price goes up) to hedge their bets.  When these shorts start expiring and the sellers have to return their shares, if internet weirdos are still death-gripping all the available shares shit will hit the fan.

Edit:  I was wrong about the above thing, shorts do not expire.  They still have to return them eventually and they're paying interest until they do (And I can't imagine what the interest payments are on a stock that's going apeshit like this), but there's no hard deadline.  It's a game of chicken between the hedge funds and the memers, and if the memers win GME goes $1000+ a share and hedge funds start getting cratered.
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« Reply #11572 on: January 29, 2021, 03:27:46 am »

This would explain the forced sales of GME that has been reported by RobinHood users-- If one is into conspiracies.


(It has been reported that RobinHood has sold shares of GME from people's accounts, that did not buy on margin, and at a rate under (then) current market prices.)
https://www.theverge.com/2021/1/28/22254857/robinhood-gamestop-amc-shares-sold-surprised-users
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« Reply #11573 on: January 29, 2021, 03:52:19 am »

Is that illegal? Could the owners of those shares sue?
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« Reply #11574 on: January 29, 2021, 04:03:31 am »

reports and allegations are not sure always true.

I will wait for the SEC report on this, which at this point, is inevitable.
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« Reply #11575 on: January 29, 2021, 04:07:13 am »

Oh I know it could be false rumors still, I was just asking to clarify whether or not that's actually something that could see legal repercussions if it were
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« Reply #11576 on: January 29, 2021, 04:11:03 am »

they already got consumer backlash.  they had to take out a rather large line of credit.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/robinhood-said-draw-credit-lines-214509076.html
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« Reply #11577 on: January 29, 2021, 04:48:43 am »

Is that illegal? Could the owners of those shares sue?
RobinHood is already being sued over *just* stopping the sale of stocks on their exchange because yeah, turns out blocking stock sales to manipulate the market so your company doesn't lose money is probably illegal.

I'm no lawyer, but I would imagine that actively selling other people's stocks to manipulate the price is even more illegal.

Selling the stocks of people buying on margin because you are worried they won't pay back is legal, but the motive makes it blatantly illegal, in much the same way its legal to lock the doors to your house... but its illegal to lock the doors to your house to lock someone inside so they burn to death or whatever. I suspect that them selling stocks of people not on margin is just flat out illegal though.

The thing is though even if its blatantly illegal and even if they horribly lose the lawsuit and even if a couple of them go to jail its likely that this action saved their parent company from going under and saved them billions of dollars today, and if needed they can use the rest of the time to collapse the company and keep the billions of dollars anyways.
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« Reply #11578 on: January 29, 2021, 08:40:46 am »

I'm actually not convinced it was all flagrant malfeasance.  Stuff like Discord definitely was, but it sounds like Robinhood just wasn't prepared for anything like this and didn't have the money to meet their regulatory obligations.  Like I said above, it takes a couple days for a trade to clear and brokers have to post a deposit in their own money as insurance.  Since the stocks are so volatile right now the deposit is high and they just didn't have enough liquid cash to do it.

Of course it's also extremely convenient, so I'm still dubious about the entire thing.
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« Reply #11579 on: February 04, 2021, 03:31:15 pm »

Amsterdam's football club, Ajax, recently set a new record with 'the most expensive acquisition in the history of Dutch football' when they bought Sébastien Haller for 22,5 million euros.

But now they can't use him.  They (literally) forgot to check a box on a digital form, and now Haller is not signed up with UEFA, meaning he is not allowed to play competitions.

The direction and management facepalmed so hard there was a notable 3.1 tremor on the Richter scale even over here at my place, over a 100km away.
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