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« Reply #4545 on: June 29, 2016, 09:56:20 am »

Well if it was appropriate, couldn't the mercenary seek to arrange their own terms of payment, then have them barter it out between the broker and the mayor (& others to represent the 'owners' of the reward)

The mercenary might demand the cash sum or equivalent weight in precious metals/goods, but potentially on the cards is getting the adventurer betrothed to a fortress member. Kind of ties into the romanticised thought of offering a princesses/prince's hand in marriage as a peace broker, or having personal motives by individual to woo/contest for this person, though the reality grimly would probably not be prince charming.

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« Reply #4546 on: June 29, 2016, 11:31:18 am »

Well if it was appropriate, couldn't the mercenary seek to arrange their own terms of payment, then have them barter it out between the broker and the mayor (& others to represent the 'owners' of the reward)

The mercenary might demand the cash sum or equivalent weight in precious metals/goods, but potentially on the cards is getting the adventurer betrothed to a fortress member. Kind of ties into the romanticised thought of offering a princesses/prince's hand in marriage as a peace broker, or having personal motives by individual to woo/contest for this person, though the reality grimly would probably not be prince charming.

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We could pay them as they pay ours adventurers - with only a big boost to reputation.  :)
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« Reply #4547 on: June 29, 2016, 09:43:14 pm »

The mercenary might demand the cash sum or equivalent weight in precious metals/goods, but potentially on the cards is getting the adventurer betrothed to a fortress member...

Interesting! That does sound about right for a fantasy or medieval setting.

How would the fortress member to be betrothed get selected, though? Obviously, those already married or in a relationship would be excluded. And the adventurer's preferences/traits should be a factor. But would the mayor make the actual selection? The player? Does the would-be betrothed get a choice to decline (based on her/his traits and compatibility)? Perhaps fortress members who are having unhappy thoughts are more likely to jump at a chance to leave the fort by being married off?

If the player does not get to choose or have a say, that could potentially suck. Losing a new migrant with no skills of note or a cheesemaker might not matter. But imagine loosing your mighty Captain of the Guard or your only Legendary Weaponsmith...

We could pay them as they pay ours adventurers - with only a big boost to reputation.  :)

Err... Yes. As long as reputation is about all the player gets in Adventure Mode, it makes no sense to be forced to pay quest takers in something other than reputation in Fort Mode.

But, I really hope that changes some day. Being paid in reputation is nice and all. Though, if I had a choice, I'd probably choose a tangible reward like money or items about half the time or as about 50% of payment.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #4548 on: June 29, 2016, 09:57:30 pm »

Here's a thought:

Will the expanded magic system allow for crafting reactions granted via interactions/artifacts/etc? If so, will a crafting reaction learned via interaction be usable in adventure mode? If so I can see this being very useful for modding, like making elves able to innately shape wood, or otherwise add reactions that aren't immediately accessible to ALL adventurers.

If not, I might have to bloat the suggestions forum a little more... owo

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« Reply #4549 on: June 29, 2016, 10:12:13 pm »

Here's a thought:

Will the expanded magic system allow for crafting reactions granted via interactions/artifacts/etc? If so, will a crafting reaction learned via interaction be usable in adventure mode? If so I can see this being very useful for modding, like making elves able to innately shape wood, or otherwise add reactions that aren't immediately accessible to ALL adventurers.

If not, I might have to bloat the suggestions forum a little more... owo

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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #4550 on: June 29, 2016, 10:14:31 pm »

I was thinking more along the lines of grown wood panties, but eh. o3o

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« Reply #4551 on: June 30, 2016, 05:16:14 am »

Will we be able to travel across the seas in Adventure Mode? Some kind of port system that could transport you across the water or along the coast would be great.
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« Reply #4552 on: June 30, 2016, 05:48:16 am »

Quote from: Updated development page
  • Hostility settings: No death or violence to regular settings to bleak and horrifying

What would "bleak and horrifying" entail? Would this include some of the things that have traditionally been avoided in Dwarf Fortress for various reasons, such as sex and (lack of) consent and whatnot? (There were, I think, some other similar things that I don't remember off the top of my head.)

Although such things can indeed evoke strong emotions, and not always positive, they also can be important components of the more bleak types of stories, sometimes; and Dwarf Fortress does of course aim to be a generator of many different kinds of stories. I understand many people do not want these sorts of things in their worlds/play, but that's alright so long as it's a setting (with probably the default set to the regular settings as we know them now or some such), right? Perhaps?

(Actually now that I read it again it says "hostility settings", so perhaps this really is just about the level of violence, and not other things about how friendly versus horrible things get. In that case, my question stands but without the reference to the dev page.)

I like the idea of a setting that could enable you to generate worlds from My Little Pony-esque with almost no violence or horror to a Berserk-esque world with extreme violence and horror, got to admit I would love to be able to play as Guts and non-consensual sex is a big part of Guts story.

Literally just the world of Beserk. Go mod in a claymore, roll a human character with one eye and you're all set to go.

Smear blood eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeverywheeere

As someone who loves berserk (Yay, they are finally off that F*#king boat) I would love to generate worlds of Berserk level horror, I suppose some of it could be modded in now, use a combination of titan and were-creature stuff to make apostles but I'm not that good of a modder as it took me a couple hour to get my centaurs to walk...
 
Also there actually a Berserk dragon slayer sword mod here.

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[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_DRAGONSLAYER]
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 [SIZE:1800]
 [SKILL:SWORD]
 [TWO_HANDED:77500]
 [MINIMUM_SIZE:62500]
 [MATERIAL_SIZE:15]
 [ATTACK:EDGE:200000:8000:slash:slashes:NO_SUB:6000]
 [ATTACK:EDGE:250:4000:stab:stabs:NO_SUB:5000]
 [ATTACK:BLUNT:500000:8000:slap:slaps:flat:6000]
 [ATTACK:BLUNT:500:1000:strike:strikes:pommel:5000]

Try this.
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« Reply #4553 on: June 30, 2016, 05:57:40 am »

Will we be able to travel across the seas in Adventure Mode? Some kind of port system that could transport you across the water or along the coast would be great.
Boats are planned after Scenarios and before Economy right now (so yeah, but might take a while). In the meantime fly with an animal-man or walk with a vampire!
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« Reply #4554 on: June 30, 2016, 06:46:52 am »

I am staring at that devlog and at the mention of the alternate magical lands, aligned with sphere and stuff. And It just hit me, we've had threads about alternate landforms, buttes, hot springs, geysers, etc. But has anyone ever suggested floating lands? They seem a very common fantasy staple(with the more extreme examples having there only be floating lands and sea, or floating lands that move about the map... perhaps a bit too intense for df), and they'd probably need floatboats to be any fun, but I can't off the top of my head recall floating lands be suggested or talked about.

Anyone recall?

Edit: Since when are there so many sex and reproduction threads in the suggestion forum? Did everyone who suggests poop decide that if not the digestive system, the reproductive system needs to be the one that is simulated 100% correctly in df O_O
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #4555 on: June 30, 2016, 07:26:35 am »

I like the idea of a setting that could enable you to generate worlds from My Little Pony-esque with almost no violence or horror to a Berserk-esque world with extreme violence and horror, got to admit I would love to be able to play as Guts and non-consensual sex is a big part of Guts story.

As someone who likes both My Little Pony (please don't hate me) and The Walking Dead/Game of Thrones/etc., I would love this. I would play both extremes depending on mood and caprice.

Also, you're the second person to have mentioned Berserk in response to my question. I'm not familiar with this, but you guys make it sound interesting. It must be this, right?
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« Reply #4556 on: June 30, 2016, 08:42:37 am »

Will we be able to travel across the seas in Adventure Mode? Some kind of port system that could transport you across the water or along the coast would be great.
Boats are planned after Scenarios and before Economy right now (so yeah, but might take a while). In the meantime fly with an animal-man or walk with a vampire!

Thats another thing i was thinking about.

Past the introduction of the first boats to the game (whatever iteration that may take initially) will it be likely that we will see a content boost of oceans to spice them up a bit (assuming optimisation allows us to engage with oceans) with the manifestation of coral (since it doesn't practically exist) and additional variety of creatures for aquamarine monster hunters to pursue and navies to bump into accidently. Thinking along the lines of the warhammer spin-off Man'O'War.

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« Reply #4557 on: June 30, 2016, 10:55:17 am »

As someone who likes both My Little Pony (please don't hate me) and The Walking Dead/Game of Thrones/etc., I would love this. I would play both extremes depending on mood and caprice.

I don't hate MLP, whatever floats your boat man.

Also, you're the second person to have mentioned Berserk in response to my question. I'm not familiar with this, but you guys make it sound interesting. It must be this, right?

I was talking about the manga but yeah that is the anime adaptation, I love the story and guts is awesome and I suggest reading the manga when you have the time.
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« Reply #4558 on: June 30, 2016, 10:57:19 am »

I am staring at that devlog and at the mention of the alternate magical lands, aligned with sphere and stuff. And It just hit me, we've had threads about alternate landforms, buttes, hot springs, geysers, etc. But has anyone ever suggested floating lands? They seem a very common fantasy staple(with the more extreme examples having there only be floating lands and sea, or floating lands that move about the map... perhaps a bit too intense for df), and they'd probably need floatboats to be any fun, but I can't off the top of my head recall floating lands be suggested or talked about.

Anyone recall?


There's "flying sites, can be handled like boats somewhat" as a goal in one of threetoes stories, involving a flying castle, so it's bound to be in their notes somewhere ^^
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« Reply #4559 on: June 30, 2016, 11:37:43 am »

I was talking about the manga but yeah that is the anime adaptation, I love the story and guts is awesome and I suggest reading the manga when you have the time.

Cool, will do!
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