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Knight Otu

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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #1380 on: February 15, 2015, 06:52:48 am »

Can i dare to hope that Dwarf fortress procedurally generates and plays "midi"-files with songs the various cultures have writen?
Surely you're not expecting anything other than a "No" here?

The dwarven "language" isn't, having only a few random words, no grammar, and no words for things that dwarves encounter every day. A whole RAWS system for grammar and more words could be given by modders to Toady and implemented if he cannot be bothered to do it.
"cannot be bothered to do it"? Where did you get that idea? Toady plans to do a large language overhaul, it just isn't happening anytime soon.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #1381 on: February 15, 2015, 07:19:31 am »

I foresee that Dwarven poetry thread suddenly taking a spike in popularity as people attempt to fill in the blanks regarding a Dwarven sonnet concerning tetrahedrite and the hills of vomit, or an Elven villanelle about the joys of cannibalism.

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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #1382 on: February 15, 2015, 09:23:52 am »

Toady has stated before that languages are not his speciality and he may want to delegate them to somebody in the community who is better with such things. If this is in the next release, he may want to look to modders to help him with language raws.
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« Reply #1383 on: February 15, 2015, 01:07:30 pm »

I hope he will. For once that "we", players, can help him and do something.

Anyway, I just wanted to say that poetry and music in a game (has it already been in any game before?) is really wonderful. Thank you Toady !
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« Reply #1384 on: February 15, 2015, 01:24:55 pm »

He'll listen to our suggestions, of course, but as far as I remember, he nowhere even hinted at anything other than the usual - he and Threetoe working on it together, researching the issues they're not familiar with, and so on. He'd have to vet any fan work anyway to make sure it's up to standards.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #1385 on: February 15, 2015, 02:04:00 pm »

Can i dare to hope that Dwarf fortress procedurally generates and plays "midi"-files with songs the various cultures have writen?
Surely you're not expecting anything other than a "No" here?

Eh random/procedural poetry sounded like a pipedream before, music is similar but more on the emotional and not in the informational side coupled to cultural experience and such - although with both, language and music, modern computers have theyr problems.
Yet there are certain rules  and patterns that govern it, i would think, after all modern Rock or classic sinfonias cause the same emotions in sourthamerican natives as they do in fat European Westerns. 

Sure that question is on the extreme side but as a whole DF is pretty much on the extreme side :P
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« Reply #1386 on: February 15, 2015, 11:35:51 pm »

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A poetic riddle intended to complain about someone recently deceased, originating in The Amber Relic. The poem is two to three couplets. Forms of parallelism are common throughout the poem, in that certain lines often share an underlying meaning and they sometimes have reversed word orders. The ending of every line of the poem rhymes with every other. The second line of each couplet presents a different view of the subject of the first line. The first line has six syllables. The second line has ten syllables.

An entire poetic form about complaining in riddles about the recently dead? Now there's an interesting cultural clue...
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #1387 on: February 16, 2015, 12:21:46 am »

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There are several problems to work out (sometimes it demanded some specific hundreds of thousands of stanzas).

Dwarf Fortress might have the honor of being the first game where a bug briefly caused wagnerian operas to be randomly generated.

When the language overhaul gets done and Toady's old threat to generate the poems themselves becomes feasible, those infinite monkeys trying to rewrite shakespeare are gonna have some competition.
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« Reply #1388 on: February 16, 2015, 01:14:37 am »

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A poetic riddle intended to complain about someone recently deceased, originating in The Amber Relic. ...

An entire poetic form about complaining in riddles about the recently dead? Now there's an interesting cultural clue...

Perhaps because the dead might actually be listening?  "Yeah, Uncle Urist was always really unstable, seems he'd go berserk at the slightest provocation.  I hated that, and him. ... What do you mean, who is that behind me?  AAAAUGHH!" (Violent Ghost tears off complainer's limb...)
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #1389 on: February 16, 2015, 06:58:22 am »

I like how some of these descriptions feel like poetic logic puzzles. If I was any good at regular poetry I'd take a stab at trying to solve some of these.

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« Reply #1390 on: February 16, 2015, 12:47:41 pm »

Oh man

This whole thing about poetry and music makes me more anxious every day!

But think about it:with the addition of randomly generated poetry,music,art and religion in the next update,it means that Dwarf Fortress will not only create amazing worlds and histories but it will also create unique randomly generated CULTURES as well.

So maybe if we remove all the fantasy stuff,add the economy system back again and hope that the culture stuff is not broken in the next update....maybe we could use DF to simulate real life stuff?Could DF be used to simulate real life worlds?

I know it sounds impossible,but it would be cool if was true.

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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #1391 on: February 16, 2015, 01:07:14 pm »

Will poetry include profanities, ridicule, and erotic themes?

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« Reply #1392 on: February 16, 2015, 01:22:08 pm »

Will poetry include profanities, ridicule, and erotic themes?
There are several forms that are ribald (vulgar, sexual) in nature, a few that satirize or complain about a subject, and one that praises a lover (and also is ribald). It seems that's reasonably well-covered, though I guess there's always the potential to add more.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #1393 on: February 16, 2015, 01:54:33 pm »

These descriptions are awesome. I love the comments on stanza, metre, syllabic counts, and the other technical poetic structure/form detail. It's impressive how varied the styles get. Generator has a surprising love of tercets and assonance. So many speak stanzas in the style the serpent.

"The ending of every line of the poem rhymes with every other." - Does this mean it's using an alternating rhyme scheme or more: ABCBDBEB etc?

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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #1394 on: February 16, 2015, 02:01:57 pm »

These descriptions are awesome. I love the comments on stanza, metre, syllabic counts, and the other technical poetic structure/form detail. It's impressive how varied the styles get. Generator has a surprising love of tercets and assonance. So many speak stanzas in the style the serpent.

"The ending of every line of the poem rhymes with every other." - Does this mean it's using an alternating rhyme scheme or more: ABCBDBEB etc?
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