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Toady One

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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #1395 on: February 16, 2015, 02:41:31 pm »

(Yeah, the language traits it generated in these examples ended up mostly being ones where monorhymes are the norm, which has something to do with the vowel inventory though I didn't look into it much.  Arabic is the common example.  Should be pretty varied in the game.)
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« Reply #1396 on: February 16, 2015, 03:14:01 pm »

Hmmm...

I would like to make some questions if you don't mind:

Who exactly made those poems and who is going to make new ones?Because every single book in our worlds is made by crazy necros in their towers and its weird that only necromancer towers can  be used to store books.It would be nice to see libraries and non necromancer writers.

How are the fortress mode/adventure mode tavern activities going?I really want to be able to sing and play games with my living meat shields companions!

What kind of !!FUN!! awaits us regarding religion and the scenarios?I'm sure you plan to add some sort of religion induced fun since almost everything can bring a fortress to ruin in this game.

And how long will take for the update to get finished?
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #1397 on: February 16, 2015, 03:21:08 pm »

These descriptions are awesome. I love the comments on stanza, metre, syllabic counts, and the other technical poetic structure/form detail. It's impressive how varied the styles get. Generator has a surprising love of tercets and assonance. So many speak stanzas in the style the serpent.

"The ending of every line of the poem rhymes with every other." - Does this mean it's using an alternating rhyme scheme or more: ABCBDBEB etc?
I read that as AAAAAAAAAAA.

Bah, of course! Overthinking/attempting to remember some half-digested university lectures does not make for good poetic comprehension.

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« Reply #1398 on: February 16, 2015, 03:23:25 pm »

These descriptions are awesome. I love the comments on stanza, metre, syllabic counts, and the other technical poetic structure/form detail. It's impressive how varied the styles get. Generator has a surprising love of tercets and assonance. So many speak stanzas in the style the serpent.

"The ending of every line of the poem rhymes with every other." - Does this mean it's using an alternating rhyme scheme or more: ABCBDBEB etc?
I read that as AAAAAAAAAAA.

"Every other" means like ABABAB
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #1399 on: February 16, 2015, 03:29:31 pm »

These descriptions are awesome. I love the comments on stanza, metre, syllabic counts, and the other technical poetic structure/form detail. It's impressive how varied the styles get. Generator has a surprising love of tercets and assonance. So many speak stanzas in the style the serpent.

"The ending of every line of the poem rhymes with every other." - Does this mean it's using an alternating rhyme scheme or more: ABCBDBEB etc?
I read that as AAAAAAAAAAA.

"Every other" means like ABABAB

I think he has it right - 'every line rhymes with every other' would suggest AA. I guess just 'every other lines rhymes' or 'uses an alternating rhyme scheme' would cover ABAB. I think it's just worded a bit awkwardly.

Perhaps 'all lines use the same rhyme' / 'uses a mono-rhyme scheme' or something, would be clearer. 

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« Reply #1400 on: February 16, 2015, 03:34:15 pm »

It probably should say "every line ... rhymes with every other line." for clarity, but I'd say Toady's post shows that's the intention. Also, if it was ABAB, I think it would specifically say so in the description.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #1401 on: February 16, 2015, 04:21:21 pm »

(monorhymes are much less common now, and I've changed the monorhyme wording to "The ending of every line of the poem shares the same rhyme.")
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #1402 on: February 16, 2015, 04:50:40 pm »

Wohoo, my confusion is useful!

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« Reply #1403 on: February 16, 2015, 05:11:06 pm »

(monorhymes are much less common now, and I've changed the monorhyme wording to "The ending of every line of the poem shares the same rhyme.")
Yes, we should save our AAAAAAAAAAA's for screams of terror when our dwarves come up against opponents for which they are woefully unprepared.
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« Reply #1404 on: February 17, 2015, 09:31:01 pm »

Didnt J.R.R. Tolkien write big parts of the Silmarilion as a Long epic poem? Tolkien started the "Children of Hurin" as Poem which was over 2000 Lines long (covering only small part of the entire story) before he started over doing the same story again stopping a bit earlyier in the story with double the linecount.
The poem/story "The lay of Leithian" had over 4000 lines ... again being left unfinished to being later turned into prose.

Maybe its a bit late to say this but i for one wouldnt mind a work consisting out of 1000 and more Stanzas. Maybe call it an "epic" and let it be something akin to an Artifact. 
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« Reply #1405 on: February 17, 2015, 10:37:20 pm »

I interpreted the "some specific hundreds of thousands of stanzas" problem to mean like a form that requires exactly 314159 stanzas of 26 lines each or something.
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« Reply #1406 on: February 17, 2015, 11:30:20 pm »

(yeah, it was hundreds of thousands of stanzas with specific rules.  there are some legal ones in the game that get into the thousands of lines.)
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« Reply #1407 on: February 18, 2015, 12:04:28 am »

I interpreted the "some specific hundreds of thousands of stanzas" problem to mean like a form that requires exactly 314159 stanzas of 26 lines each or something.

I see what you did there. 5 internets to you.
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« Reply #1408 on: February 18, 2015, 06:52:16 am »

I interpreted the "some specific hundreds of thousands of stanzas" problem to mean like a form that requires exactly 314159 stanzas of 26 lines each or something.
"But I tell you what the Queen wants is impossible. The story of her mandate to create floodgates in our desert fortress cannot be told in less than 314160 stanzas! Art bows not to any dwarf!"
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #1409 on: February 18, 2015, 08:48:45 am »

I interpreted the "some specific hundreds of thousands of stanzas" problem to mean like a form that requires exactly 314159 stanzas of 26 lines each or something.
"But I tell you what the Queen wants is impossible. The story of her mandate to create floodgates in our desert fortress cannot be told in less than 314160 stanzas! Art bows not to any dwarf!"
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