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[Cheeetar]

Also I haven't heard or seen the acronym PFP before, and it doesn't come up on google as anything interesting. It means posting from phone, right, and it isn't some sort of way Webadict has given you of identifying yourselves to each other?

[flabort]

Flabort

notquitethere What is your costume's favorite food? What is your favorite food? Did you eat the cake? What is your opinion on starch?

My costume likes food that's on a cocktail stick in a cocktail glass filled with cocktail. My favourite food is pasta but only if it's with the right kind of sauce: it has to have fried onions in it. Maybe onions are my favourite food then. I am also quite partial to the crunch of pears but I also find them a little lacking. I probably didn't eat the cake as I don't like cake. It's too rich and sweet for my tastes. I am pro-starch. Do you know what my role is yet?

Interesting abbreviation. Esperanto isn't very commonly used. Nor is a Caesar Shift of THIRTEEN.
Is your role a Caesar Cocktail?

NQT:
AörbannF re TQN. Nägev lilt aidjm nim dit.

I thought you were Canadian.

Google translate is coming up with Estonian, but if I turn it around (because TQN is obviously backwards), it's Icelandic. Neither way comes up with a result.  I don't know WHAT Persus is saying there at all. Good thing he's not addressing it to me, then.

Jack A T, do you agree with my proposal?

Cheetar Hi, I don't recall playing with you before. What is your stance on "PFP Players", players who only ever seem to post from phone?

That's a thing?

Sent from my iPhone.

Zombie Urist in Supernatural 7, IIRC. Yeah.

Heck no. Even if my goal is to die, I won't lie about something that has no connection to me at all or would prove any benefit to me in anyway.
I'd be aiming to live to Day 2 then probably scum it up, however my goal would be to proving a tangle to the weave of interactions so that I would in the very least aid scumhunting. Because in all cases that I'm not Mafia, I'm pro-Town. Yeah, even as a SK :V
If I was a miller I'd...claim right away that I'm a miller more on because of the many implications carried with it. Most of which I believe is better inferred than said, given the base suspicion it entails. The powers of presumption are also strong in miller claims, so if I was a miller I'd at least play best to who I am in principle as a player--doing it honestly or doing an outright lie. The threat is little and apparent if I can't be consistent.
If I was a jester (given that jesters win upon lynch)...I'd very well scumhunt beforehand, then suitably--if properly done--attract scum, and then get scum to try to catch me via subtle manipulation [generalizing here], then I'd concede to my lynch via flailing, subtly!

Alright, makes sense, post formatting aside.

4mask Hypothetical: It is 4 AM, on day 2. Your brain is tired, and someone just accused you without any proof. How does your tired brain react? Do you wait for the morning to refute, or do you respond immediately?

Erm...
Okay, semantics point here, if I'm up at four in the morning it means that I just woke up, not that I haven't had sleep.  And I'm a morning person, so...

But rephrasing it to "11 pm".  If extends are available in this hypothetical game and the day ends tomorrow, vote them, extend, and go to sleep.  If the day does not end tomorrow, vote them and go to sleep.  If there are no extends and the day ends tomorrow, yell at them, point out how stupid they are being, vote them, and go to sleep.

I get irritable when I'm tired.

Sure. Well, really late works. Thanks for the honesty, though I notice all possibilities are OMGUS; I guess if they had no proof, it would be deserved.

flabort:

IronyOwl Hi. Let's say you needed a replacement in some other game, and the GM had to choose from the players in THIS game. Which of the players would you want the GM to pick? Which would you least trust to take over for you?

Probably Jack AT and... hm. The only thing I recall about Jiokuy is that he got lynched D1 elsewhere, and I'm not familiar with Scripten at all. You're possibly not the greatest choice what with barely existing until D2.

Well, not like I want to go; it sounds like I might not have to now, at least. We'll see; depends how tonight goes IRL.
Shakerag and Tiruin are not options? You wouldn't trust Silthuri with your spot?

Also I haven't heard or seen the acronym PFP before, and it doesn't come up on google as anything interesting. It means posting from phone, right, and it isn't some sort of way Webadict has given you of identifying yourselves to each other?

Yeah, it means posting from phone. Basically, short mobile post where you don't have time to create one right.

No. I don't think Webadict would do something like that. I mean, it's already an acronym that means something, if it were a secret scum word that they have to use to breadcrumb communications between each other instead of being able to use a traditional scum chat that would be completely and totally unfair to them. That's something for the "Bring your own Bastard Role" game

[Cheeetar]

Flabort, do you believe that Random Voting at the start of day 1 aids the town at all? If so, why aren't you using your vote? You seemed slightly passive in the way you responded to 4maskwolf. Also, what do you think of my plan?

[notquitethere]

Tiruin

I mean how can you classify THOUGHT? It is affected by its surroundings! Just like me. My powers are based on the # of people alive! <_< And even there I have no idea how they connect.
Do you want me to try to explain that? You want me to get a headache huh :x

Curious. Also, there are many ways to classify thought. I spent a good few years of my life studying philosophy that aims to do just that. But you haven't made any attempt to explain why 'thought' would come up 'scum' under inspect. And also, why are you so keen on not being role inspected?

Why are you so privvy about a simple miller claim? Something to think about much more than is even needed?

Oh you're right Tiruin, I'm questioning another player in a game of mafia too much, I sure better back off right now. You make a bold claim, I'm doing my job of questioning the veracity of that claim.

It's like just because I claimed miller you've the right to wring everything out of me.

If I say that I've got cake-destroying powers, I'd want people to ask how cake-destroying comes under the purview of my role. If I said I could mix a fine martini, I'd want people to ask whether martini-mixing was relevant to my role. You've claimed miller, if you're not able to say how that's relevant to your role then I'm going to have to lynch you as lying scum. Don't claim what you can't justify.

Allow me to justify thought, then.
Try to philosophize how mankind, sans the usage of resources, gets its problems. Let's leave that for you, in thought.

Sure, there are lots of problems mankind that aren't directly related to resource use. I don't see what that has to do with how 'Thought' justifies 'Being a Miller'.

Persus, I figured whatever you're trying to say has been reversed as I can make out 'vegan' and 'NQT'. It's not a language I recognise so I gather there's been an additional level of manipulation. I doubt you've said anything enlightening, so I concede to your superior powers of obfuscation. How do you feel now my vote is on Tiruin?

Flabort, mi estas un Esperantisto. Multajn talentojn havas mi. Mi ne estas 'Caesar Cocktail', sed vi estas proksimeta.

[webadict]

Just an FYI, posting coded messages is considered cheating. We're not here to play the long con on cryptography. I don't want hash function roleclaims, because those claims tend to end in modkills.

[Nerjin]

Spoiler: 4mask does something that wastes space and time (click to show/hide)

Whoohoo! I don't have to miss the whole day, and things are looking up, too; discussions as to whether or not I have to go with the family are underway.

Only one question so far?

flabort:  If you were offered the choice, pre-game, of being a guaranteed arsonist or just taking a random role, what would you do?

Hi, I'm flabort, I don't think I've actually met you before outside discussion leading up to this specific game. If I recall, you're the person responsible for those very special roles that Webadict grumps about?
Ah, as for the question. Looking up arsonist... hmm... Well, I'd certainly shy away from being a third party, due to my experience with such being that I can't play them well. Having a kill suits my idea of how I should play, though, especially a virtually unblockable one, but I think I would go with the random role.

4mask Hypothetical: It is 4 AM, on day 2. Your brain is tired, and someone just accused you without any proof. How does your tired brain react? Do you wait for the morning to refute, or do you respond immediately?

Cheetar Hi, I don't recall playing with you before. What is your stance on "PFP Players", players who only ever seem to post from phone?

Flabort Hi. Are you POT-aDoS? No. Are you Mexi Fries? No. Curly fries? No.

Imp Hello. I hear you're a returning player? What is your impression about each player you haven't played with before?

IronyOwl Hi. Let's say you needed a replacement in some other game, and the GM had to choose from the players in THIS game. Which of the players would you want the GM to pick? Which would you least trust to take over for you?

Jack A T Mario is Busing Bowser. How does Princess Peach, who is Tiruin, react? As a Toad, how do you react?

Jiokuy If you couldn't die, ever, how would you take the most advantage of that? How would you react to a player who's role made them completely immortal?

Nerjin Who do you think would claim if they were really a Miller? Who do you think would keep it to themselves?

notquitethere What is your costume's favorite food? What is your favorite food? Did you eat the cake? What is your opinion on starch?

Persus13 Let's say you picked the Death Note for your role, and your a SK. You can kill someone each night, but you can choose for their death to come later, and you can set post restrictions on them. How do you best utilize this power? Let's say your one-shot is to switch roles with some-one, too. How do you best use that to your advantage?

Scripten How do you best make use of a multiple voting role?

Shakerag What "shakeragian" role would you recommend for each player, based on what you know of those players?

Silthuri if you had the ability to intercept any actions targeting someone, and have them affect you, based off initial impressions who would you intercept for?

Tiruin Let's say you're not a miller, but a jester. Would you still have claimed miller? What would you be doing different if you were a miller or a jester?

Toaster You get the same question Shakerag asked me. If you were offered the choice between arsonist or random role, which would you pick?

TolyK How much time does work and sleep take away from the average Mafia player? How often should a Mafia player be posting?

Varee If you were to pick a different role, knowing the alignment you would be, than the one you picked, what role would you pick for your repick?

PPE: 11 replies. OK, nobody addressed me-tato in any of them.

*4maskwolf pokes around the post for a bit before dragging out the part relevant to him*

4mask Hypothetical: It is 4 AM, on day 2. Your brain is tired, and someone just accused you without any proof. How does your tired brain react? Do you wait for the morning to refute, or do you respond immediately?

Erm...
Okay, semantics point here, if I'm up at four in the morning it means that I just woke up, not that I haven't had sleep.  And I'm a morning person, so...

But rephrasing it to "11 pm".  If extends are available in this hypothetical game and the day ends tomorrow, vote them, extend, and go to sleep.  If the day does not end tomorrow, vote them and go to sleep.  If there are no extends and the day ends tomorrow, yell at them, point out how stupid they are being, vote them, and go to sleep.

I get irritable when I'm tired.

Do that again, and I will vote you for wasting everyone's time. That was NOT neccesary and you shouldn't have done it. You are obviously intelligent enough to trim the post into something resembling coherent, so I expect you to do so in the future. It wasn't cute. It wasn't funny. It was a waste of time and space. If you're going to make a wall of text, do it because you have something to say. Not because... Whyever you did it.

[notquitethere]

Wuba

Just an FYI, posting coded messages is considered cheating. We're not here to play the long con on cryptography. I don't want hash function roleclaims, because those claims tend to end in modkills.

Got it boss. Breadcrumbing (like, first letter of every sentence etc.) is still ok, right?

[webadict]

Wuba

Just an FYI, posting coded messages is considered cheating. We're not here to play the long con on cryptography. I don't want hash function roleclaims, because those claims tend to end in modkills.

Got it boss. Breadcrumbing (like, first letter of every sentence etc.) is still ok, right?

Yes. Because that's clever. Ats rnldsghmf khjd sghr htm's (But something like this isn't.) The reason being is that players could hold conversations by sharing keys or what have you, and basically making it completely unfair to other players. If you can hide an entire sentence inside your post (Every fifth letter or the start of each sentence), that's fair game.

[4maskwolf]

Wuba

Just an FYI, posting coded messages is considered cheating. We're not here to play the long con on cryptography. I don't want hash function roleclaims, because those claims tend to end in modkills.

Got it boss. Breadcrumbing (like, first letter of every sentence etc.) is still ok, right?

Yes. Because that's clever. Ats rnldsghmf khjd sghr htm's (But something like this isn't.) The reason being is that players could hold conversations by sharing keys or what have you, and basically making it completely unfair to other players. If you can hide an entire sentence inside your post (Every fifth letter or the start of each sentence), that's fair game.

CHALLENGE ACCEPTED!

Do that again, and I will vote you for wasting everyone's time. That was NOT neccesary and you shouldn't have done it. You are obviously intelligent enough to trim the post into something resembling coherent, so I expect you to do so in the future. It wasn't cute. It wasn't funny. It was a waste of time and space. If you're going to make a wall of text, do it because you have something to say. Not because... Whyever you did it.

You know the number of shits I give about people threatening me with votes?  Zero.  You heard me right.  Zero.  Go ahead, use your vote for no other reason than you hate my posting style.  All it would serve to do is prove that you don't particularly care about your vote, that you don't see it as a valuable weapon for you.  Which is not a good thing, mind you.

No, it wasn't intended to be cute.  You know what's cute.  A Labrador.  You know what's cute?  A little puppy.  My posting style is not intended to be cute.  Please calm yourself down and use your vote in a manner that is in accordance with the needs of the town.  Thank you, and goodbye.

[flabort]

Flabort, do you believe that Random Voting at the start of day 1 aids the town at all? If so, why aren't you using your vote? You seemed slightly passive in the way you responded to 4maskwolf. Also, what do you think of my plan?

I think that random votes are just that: random. They have no bias towards helping town or helping scum.
It's the questions that we associate with the votes that aid the town. The questions, Ser Cheeetar.
Let's say a vote is a square knife with four sharp edges and no handle. Without that handle, the vote is as likely to hurt yourself as it is to hurt someone else. But a question is a long pole. A long pole can be used to test for traps, it can be used to test the depths of the waters, it can be used as a weapon if you're against using sharp objects, it can be used to balance yourself. And you can fix a knife to it to turn both into a spear, a highly effective weapon, especially against charging cavalry.
Yes, I was somewhat passive in the way I responded to 4mask. His answer to my question was such that I almost didn't feel it warranted a response, since the context was that in the situation his brain was tired.
What plan, Cheeetar? All I see is you urging a Tiruin lynch.

Flabort, mi estas un Esperantisto. Multajn talentojn havas mi. Mi ne estas 'Caesar Cocktail', sed vi estas proksimeta.

Ah, I have to say that Google Translate failed on that last word. My best guess is "close". Augustus Caesar? Caesar's Casino?
Ah, it doesn't matter. I guess I'm role fishing again

Just an FYI, posting coded messages is considered cheating. We're not here to play the long con on cryptography. I don't want hash function roleclaims, because those claims tend to end in modkills.

Aw, but some of us enjoy this, and cryptology with no purpose is no fun
J qtrqnyl xg'op utb uq lght jv sgoeyncmui tkptqk? Just some slightly varied replacement ciphers? Oqwlntn zqx oghh b lgb gqu.
Fine. No more. I guess I'm done that. (Keys? Keys?! I'm insulted. Using a key to encrypt a passage is downright rude if you're not a computer. And way, way too time consuming)

[Cheeetar]

The plan, Flabort, is that we lynch Tiruin because of the claim she's made- it's a better alternative than anything else currently available in Day 1.

4maskwolf, do you think my plan is incredibly stupid?

In fact, in case it wasn't obvious enough already that I am asking everybody:
Everybody, do you think a claimed miller lynch would be the best choice on Day 1, in the absence of any strong scumtells, or would a more random vote work better?

[4maskwolf]

The plan, Flabort, is that we lynch Tiruin because of the claim she's made- it's a better alternative than anything else currently available in Day 1.

4maskwolf, do you think my plan is incredibly stupid?

In fact, in case it wasn't obvious enough already that I am asking everybody:
Everybody, do you think a claimed miller lynch would be the best choice on Day 1, in the absence of any strong scumtells, or would a more random vote work better?

Me?
I think it's a perfectly legitimate plan, in the absence of major scumtells. It just feels kind of... Unfair to the person if they were, in fact, saddled with miller. If a miller is lynched in the absence of scumtells, then getting miller as part of your role becomes a death sentence, I can see the logic in it, but I'll abstain from voting a miller in preference of others. If the day winds down and nothing major comes up, I'll consider it, but a part of me would feel bad if I lynched a claimed miller just because they had claimed miller.

[Cheeetar]

I think claiming miller prior to being investigated is more suspicious than claiming miller post being investigated.

[Persus13]

I think claiming miller prior to being investigated is more suspicious than claiming miller post being investigated.

Why?

[flabort]

I think claiming miller prior to being investigated is more suspicious than claiming miller post being investigated.

That, I don't agree with at all. Claiming post investigation just seems like a knee-jerk reaction to save your own scum hide, where as claiming before anyone has a chance to investigate has a chance to be telling the truth.