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Re: Dwarf Fortress 0.40.03 Released
« Reply #60 on: July 14, 2014, 05:02:51 pm »

With all possible respect Toady, you might want to put "save compatibility" on the list with "release times" as something we all should just understand you'll try your best on.
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« Reply #61 on: July 14, 2014, 05:42:39 pm »

With all possible respect Toady, you might want to put "save compatibility" on the list with "release times" as something we all should just understand you'll try your best on.
I would go even further. "No save compatibility guaranteed, period". If new version is compatibile, that's nice, lucky you. Otherwise, well. It is not like anyone is forced to play always newest version. I consider any non-trivial save compatibility work as waste of time that could be used for, say, debugging.

For once "this is only alpha" excuse is actually valid excuse.
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Re: Dwarf Fortress 0.40.03 Released
« Reply #62 on: July 14, 2014, 06:01:48 pm »

I think Today pretty much stated in the last changelog that the first few patches are going to be for major bugs which would probably break save compatability so it's good to get them out of the way early.
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Re: Dwarf Fortress 0.40.03 Released
« Reply #63 on: July 14, 2014, 10:27:14 pm »

With all possible respect Toady, you might want to put "save compatibility" on the list with "release times" as something we all should just understand you'll try your best on.
Wouldn't save compatibility be a waste of time if the bugfixes would only take a few days without the time spent, and probably weeks with the time spent for compatibility?
Unless you mean compatibility since the last major version, in which case far too much has changed to make the effort really worth it...

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Re: Dwarf Fortress 0.40.03 Released
« Reply #64 on: July 14, 2014, 10:32:09 pm »

Hereís what Iíve got so far in 0.40.03:

I can run worldgen with a default number of sites on a medium world for 200 years without a crash. Worldgen on a medium world with 1500 sites per civ (300 civs max) produces crashes at 200 years, but at 100 years works fine, producing some nice, expansive civilisations with proper roads.

For some reason I am unable to reclaim any of the ruined worldgen fortresses in this version, despite there being ruined forts.

Calendar progression is still rather slow, but thatís OK for me. Iíll need to see which embark size gets me a decent 100 FPS through establishment of my initial excavations.

Still seeing birds stuck in the sky, not leaving the embark.
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Re: Dwarf Fortress 0.40.03 Released
« Reply #65 on: July 15, 2014, 01:35:39 am »

I'm so excited about these frequent bug fixes. Woohoo!
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Re: Dwarf Fortress 0.40.03 Released
« Reply #66 on: July 15, 2014, 12:10:32 pm »

40.03 is crashing a lot more for me than  40.02. Anyone else have this problem? Random crashes in adventure mode all the time, without discernible reason.
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Re: Dwarf Fortress 0.40.03 Released
« Reply #67 on: July 15, 2014, 01:03:29 pm »

Do you have a retired fort in the world?  We're tracking down something related to that.

edit: the pop bug could also do it -- if you go into legends on your world and the sites_and_pops export txt has some high pops for sites, those places could be destructive.
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« Reply #68 on: July 15, 2014, 01:24:02 pm »

Do you have a retired fort in the world?  We're tracking down something related to that.

edit: the pop bug could also do it -- if you go into legends on your world and the sites_and_pops export txt has some high pops for sites, those places could be destructive.

No, no fort, just fresh generated pocket worlds. It happened both in Travel mode or just walking around...in truth isn't really a crash to desktop, the game just locks itself (the window stop responding) and when you click again it asks if you want to close the program.

No pop_bug in this case, at max there are 10000 goblins (I generated many worlds, goblin usually destroy other civs in pocket worlds). One thing in common is that all my pocket worlds have a lot of megabeasts and high savagery (I enjoy apocalyptic scenarios)
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Re: Dwarf Fortress 0.40.03 Released
« Reply #69 on: July 15, 2014, 01:30:35 pm »

Just found the cause for the retire crash - fort retirement makes it much more common, but it could happen for any world.  If the pocket world has more position replacement than usual, due to dead rulers and so on, that could be it, though it's quite possibly something new and exciting.  If you get a reproducible crash I could use the save to confirm.  Otherwise, we'll continue to hope and work!
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« Reply #70 on: July 15, 2014, 01:41:19 pm »

I didn't open a report yet because I couldn't reproduce it. I will try more.
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« Reply #71 on: July 15, 2014, 04:25:00 pm »

though it's quite possibly something new and exciting.
Dwarf fortress: where a significant source of emergent gameplay involves finding and squashing new and exciting bugs!
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« Reply #72 on: July 15, 2014, 05:08:27 pm »

though it's quite possibly something new and exciting.
Dwarf fortress: where a significant source of emergent gameplay involves finding and squashing new and exciting bugs!

That's what I'm watching this for. Dunno about the rest of you. lol

Exactly what I explain to new players. A lot of the fun and narrative of DF is finding bugs or quirks created through accidental relationships within the code. Sometimes it can crash a game or prevent certain events from happening, but in most cases it causes unexpected hilarity rather than frustration, which gives it that bungling, stumbling, drunken dwarf attitude just being itself.  :D

(Of course, I still have half a mind that some of these bugs are just dwarfy enough to not be accidental. :P)

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Re: Dwarf Fortress 0.40.03 Released
« Reply #73 on: July 15, 2014, 09:14:14 pm »

I just experienced a crash from the main menu when I left the game running for about half an hour while doing random stuff in reddit. Obviously I'm not bothered but I'm going to see if It's already on mantis.
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