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[MoridinUK]

A circular mine cart route and then a second one that fire into the mien cart travelling along the circular track at just the right instance? 

[jcochran]

Oh... Now I feel so dumb, but I thought I had one steped it..

Limestone... = no aquifer huh?

Yup. Limestone doesn't support aquifers.....

[MoridinUK]

*FacePalm*

[Babylon]

Yep... If you're using DFhack you can use the command autounsuspend start, which will automatically unsuspend the jobs. If you can't or wont use DFhack, then you just have to manually unsuspend, again and again and again.

If you want to see the process in action, then check the video in my link. Albeit I do it pretty fast. But you can see it does definitely work .

Dfhack works with the new version now?

*happydance*

[Panando]

Not yet, sadly. But some people are still playing .34, and sooner or later DFhack will come.

If you have the technique right suspends aren't a big deal. After doing double slit for about 6 months I even figured out another trick for reducing suspends - it's all about the order you dig tiles out in and stuff. Here is the optimal order, it's better than the order given in the wiki article and there is probably no possible improvement upon it:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Note that I only ever use up/down stairs in the slit - they are safer and better and cheaper than ramps. The initial state of the below is an aquifer layer, draining into the aquifer layer below (i.e. up/down stairs have already been dug into the next layer down to function as drains)

You can dig out 2 tiles at once, as long as there is no direct path between them (this is because flowing water generates "push", but if there is nowhere the working dwarf can be pushed into, his work wont be disrupted).


Dig out the two marked tiles per slit and build walls in them. (Low chance of suspensions)


Dig out the remaining two tiles per slit and replace with walls. (Low chance of suspensions)


Leave the central 4 tiles undug, and dig out the two tiles that will be walls and order walls in those spaces. (High chance of suspensions)
Dwarves can only complete 1 wall in each space because the completed wall will block the uncompleted wall.
This trick greatly reduces suspensions because it greatly constrains "pushing" of workers by water.


Dig out all the central tiles, and unsuspend the last two walls. (Low chance of suspensions)


You are now ready to build pumps and drain the next layer.

For the final layer, unless it is smoothable rock, you will be forced to endure quite a few suspensions, but the pain can be reduced if you make a minimal staircase (1x1 or 1x2) and establish a cavern drain for any further aquifer work.

[MoridinUK]

Yep... If you're using DFhack you can use the command autounsuspend start, which will automatically unsuspend the jobs. If you can't or wont use DFhack, then you just have to manually unsuspend, again and again and again.

If you want to see the process in action, then check the video in my link. Albeit I do it pretty fast. But you can see it does definitely work .

Tried autounsuspend start but dfhack says this is an unknown command..

[MoridinUK]

Not yet, sadly. But some people are still playing .34, and sooner or later DFhack will come.

If you have the technique right suspends aren't a big deal. After doing double slit for about 6 months I even figured out another trick for reducing suspends - it's all about the order you dig tiles out in and stuff. Here is the optimal order, it's better than the order given in the wiki article and there is probably no possible improvement upon it:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Note that I only ever use up/down stairs in the slit - they are safer and better and cheaper than ramps. The initial state of the below is an aquifer layer, draining into the aquifer layer below (i.e. up/down stairs have already been dug into the next layer down to function as drains)

You can dig out 2 tiles at once, as long as there is no direct path between them (this is because flowing water generates "push", but if there is nowhere the working dwarf can be pushed into, his work wont be disrupted).


Dig out the two marked tiles per slit and build walls in them. (Low chance of suspensions)


Dig out the remaining two tiles per slit and replace with walls. (Low chance of suspensions)


Leave the central 4 tiles undug, and dig out the two tiles that will be walls and order walls in those spaces. (High chance of suspensions)
Dwarves can only complete 1 wall in each space because the completed wall will block the uncompleted wall.
This trick greatly reduces suspensions because it greatly constrains "pushing" of workers by water.


Dig out all the central tiles, and unsuspend the last two walls. (Low chance of suspensions)


You are now ready to build pumps and drain the next layer.

For the final layer, unless it is smoothable rock, you will be forced to endure quite a few suspensions, but the pain can be reduced if you make a minimal staircase (1x1 or 1x2) and establish a cavern drain for any further aquifer work.

I'm trying to follow the sequence you put there, but I may have messed up, so I'm pumping east to west to begin with.  I do the two tiles in step one with only a couple of suspends, then I move to do the next two tiles in stage two, meaning to do all four before switching the pump over to pump west to east as I saw no reason why this should be a problem. 

I got the eastern wall built (both of them)  but the southern most one never gets lower than depth 3?  Have I messed up?  should I do stage one in the west slit and then come back to this wall then stage two in the west slit?

Edit: Also I thought you couldn't constuct walls via a diagonal!

[greycat]

Edit: Also I thought you couldn't constuct walls via a diagonal!

What Panando is doing there is extremely subtle.  There has to be a non-diagonal tile next to the wall to order its construction, but the dwarf doesn't necessarily have to stand there.

Leave the central 4 tiles undug, and dig out the two tiles that will be walls and order walls in those spaces. (High chance of suspensions)
Dwarves can only complete 1 wall in each space because the completed wall will block the uncompleted wall.

Let's break this down in ASCII.  Here's the area with 8 walls constructed:

Code: [Select]

.%%%%%%.
%%#12#%%
%#X%%X#%
%#X%%X#%
%%#34#%%
.%%%%%%.

1, 2, 3, 4 are the spots Panando marked for digging + wall construction.  After digging it all out, you can order a wall to be constructed in those spots, because each one has an empty tile next to it.  (Spot 1 has empty tile 2; spot 3 has empty file 4; and vice versa.)

When it comes time to actually build the wall in spot #1, the dwarf can stand on the X (stairwell) which is southwest of spot 1.  As long as spot #2 remains open, the wall can actually be constructed from any direction.

Once a wall has been built in spot #1, the wall in spot #2 can no longer be worked on, because there is no open spot next to it (non-diagonally).  That's what Panando means by "Dwarves can only complete 1 wall in each space because the completed wall will block the uncompleted wall."

[MoridinUK]

ah I get it... still cant see how he does it without some suspends... it's such a drag!  I think I have a cavern drain, just waiting for my dwarfs to finish hauling out a little silver I found then I can flood it!