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Re: Armchair General General - /AGG
« Reply #1155 on: December 29, 2016, 06:07:58 pm »

As I recall, Himmler was even more deluded and jingoist than Hitler, so it probably wouldn't go well.
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Re: Armchair General General - /AGG
« Reply #1156 on: December 29, 2016, 10:28:21 pm »

If the USSR and Nazi Germany don't go to war, and they absolutely will not go to war, is that information telegraphed in some manner to France, Britain and the USA?
No, other than them not really arming their common borders more heavily than expected from pure occupation purposes.
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« Reply #1157 on: February 03, 2017, 07:20:13 pm »

F-35 vs Su-35 analysis, in two parts. F-35 is obviously better, although it's surprisingly close.
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« Reply #1158 on: February 03, 2017, 07:53:25 pm »

Oh, it got part 2? I've seen only the first one.
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« Reply #1159 on: February 03, 2017, 08:01:38 pm »

Seeing how the F-35 is a much newer plane it's only to be expected. Sure the Sukhoi has seen plenty of upgrades over the years but that's still amending the intial design and not designing something better from the ground up when you have much fewer restrictions of the original design you have to work within. To say nothing of the bloated cost and the simple fact of how fucking ugly the F-35 is.

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Re: Armchair General General - /AGG
« Reply #1160 on: February 03, 2017, 10:39:07 pm »

F-35 can't pull off a Pugachev's Cobra, it's obviously much worse. Duh.
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Re: Armchair General General - /AGG
« Reply #1161 on: May 29, 2017, 06:58:23 pm »

Which is exactly why good, upstanding citizens should be able to purchase F-22s. ;)
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Re: Armchair General General - /AGG
« Reply #1162 on: May 29, 2017, 08:35:34 pm »

Yeah the ability of a guerilla force to wage effective war against the US military drops catastrophically if "Hearts and minds" and "noncombatants"  are removed from play. If the entire civilian population are taking up arms, there is no background of "people the army cannot shoot at/bomb" to melt back into.
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« Reply #1163 on: May 29, 2017, 08:48:16 pm »

Yeah the ability of a guerilla force to wage effective war against the US military drops catastrophically if "Hearts and minds" and "noncombatants"  are removed from play. If the entire civilian population are taking up arms, there is no background of "people the army cannot shoot at/bomb" to melt back into.

That results in the United States ceasing to be a modern, industrialized nation. The often imagined, poorly conceived, American uprising isn't one that gets won, but it's one that doesn't get won by anyone. Once the fires die down, there ain't a nation left, which isn't an unreasonable accomplishment when faced with tyranny or evil.
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« Reply #1164 on: May 29, 2017, 08:50:22 pm »

And that assumes that a bunch of US soldiers are going to be okay with killing the civilians they are supposed to protect because the government tells them to.
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« Reply #1165 on: May 29, 2017, 09:00:30 pm »

Yeah the ability of a guerilla force to wage effective war against the US military drops catastrophically if "Hearts and minds" and "noncombatants"  are removed from play. If the entire civilian population are taking up arms, there is no background of "people the army cannot shoot at/bomb" to melt back into.

That results in the United States ceasing to be a modern, industrialized nation. The often imagined, poorly conceived, American uprising isn't one that gets won, but it's one that doesn't get won by anyone. Once the fires die down, there ain't a nation left, which isn't an unreasonable accomplishment when faced with tyranny or evil.

Yeah but this is a fantasy universe where every single citizen of the USA jumps up, pulls an AR-15 out of their backside, and declares a revolution simultaneously. The serious sociopolitical effects are clearly not being considered here
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« Reply #1166 on: May 29, 2017, 09:05:31 pm »

Yeah the ability of a guerilla force to wage effective war against the US military drops catastrophically if "Hearts and minds" and "noncombatants"  are removed from play. If the entire civilian population are taking up arms, there is no background of "people the army cannot shoot at/bomb" to melt back into.

That results in the United States ceasing to be a modern, industrialized nation. The often imagined, poorly conceived, American uprising isn't one that gets won, but it's one that doesn't get won by anyone. Once the fires die down, there ain't a nation left, which isn't an unreasonable accomplishment when faced with tyranny or evil.

Yeah but this is a fantasy universe where every single citizen of the USA jumps up, pulls an AR-15 out of their backside, and declares a revolution simultaneously. The serious sociopolitical effects are clearly not being considered here

Yeah, it's basically a zombie plague type scenario, except all the zombies have AK-47s and somehow the military is immune.
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« Reply #1167 on: May 29, 2017, 09:19:47 pm »

Yeah the ability of a guerilla force to wage effective war against the US military drops catastrophically if "Hearts and minds" and "noncombatants"  are removed from play. If the entire civilian population are taking up arms, there is no background of "people the army cannot shoot at/bomb" to melt back into.

That results in the United States ceasing to be a modern, industrialized nation. The often imagined, poorly conceived, American uprising isn't one that gets won, but it's one that doesn't get won by anyone. Once the fires die down, there ain't a nation left, which isn't an unreasonable accomplishment when faced with tyranny or evil.

Yeah but this is a fantasy universe where every single citizen of the USA jumps up, pulls an AR-15 out of their backside, and declares a revolution simultaneously. The serious sociopolitical effects are clearly not being considered here

Yeah, it's basically a zombie plague type scenario, except all the zombies have AK-47s and somehow the military is immune.
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« Reply #1168 on: May 29, 2017, 09:36:54 pm »

The fantastic elements of the scenario are what make it moot. The US military is 1% of America. If the other 99% turn on it then they don't even have to fight, the permanent severance of all domestic supply lines destroys the military in short order.

A society's power is higher than any institution of that society, inherently. The only limitation is will. In a realistic scenario, if 10% of a nation takes to the streets without weapons all the big baddass "God Has Sent Me Upon You For Your Crimes"-types clean out their bank accounts and go hide in the Seychelles for the rest of their lives. Armament only decreases the necessary number.

As much as I'm a fan of the intention that the Second Amendment represents, it is only a minor benefit compared to the reality of military defection that occurs in any state that's about to be upturned. The general argument that "hur you think you can fight a Predator drone Bubba" falls flat when actual historical revolutions are observed. Weapons of all grades get parceled out once the conditions for revolution exist.

Of course, that probably means some religious nutjob gets their hands on a nuke and makes everything pointless by deciding to overturn the bowl of God's wrath personally, but you know. Armchair General.
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Re: Armchair General General - /AGG
« Reply #1169 on: May 29, 2017, 09:39:51 pm »

The Second Amendment and the culture it represents performs the function intended just fine, I'd argue.
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