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[Eldrick Tobin]

Several Tokens if you try to REMOVE them will break DF even if they aren't on the creature in question. And by break I mean no errorlog.txt just crash to desktop.

The List (Individuals):

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CV_REMOVE_TAG:CURIOUSBEAST_EATER
CV_REMOVE_TAG:CURIOUSBEAST_GUZZLER
CV_REMOVE_TAG:CURIOUSBEAST_ITEM
[s]CV_REMOVE_TAG:DESCRIPTION[/s]The List (As a Group):

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CV_REMOVE_TAG:MATERIAL
CV_REMOVE_TAG:MATERIAL_TEMPLATE
CV_REMOVE_TAG:MELTING_POINT
Individuals blow up DF just being enabled in a C_V, the group has to have all three... which is bizarre.

The Research!

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Creature will be the Boulder Saurian. It is a copy of the v0.40.06 Dragon Raws, with an Undirected Item Cloud Interaction instead of DragonFire.
C_V is an unholy amalgam of all the tokens in a modded raw directory, stripped down to base tokens with CV_REMOVE_TAG prepended.
The Directive:
   [APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:ZAPALLTAGS]
   [APPLY_CURRENT_CREATURE_VARIATION]
The Test Location is the main Raw/Objects folder.

Reason For Experiment: Embarked with an Entity Creature that had CuriousBeast_Item. Worried they had other similar issues. Created Creature_variation removing the suite of CuriousBeast Tokens. Instantaneous crash without errorlog on loading the save. Arena mode test of directory proved to also instantly crash. Narrowed down the cause to the 3 tokens being checked for at all with CV_REMOVE_TAG.

The Experiment.
---Placed C_V directive after CREATURE:BOULDERSAURIAN.
*No Change at all -even with the CuriousBeast_* Tokens Enabled in the C_V
*You have to have a tag before it'll even process a C_V. Can't even get it to rename a creature if it's that early. Must be /after/ a token /after/ the CREATURE: token.
---Placed C_V directive after Description in BOULDERSAURIAN.
*No crash no error. DOES_NOT_EXIST allows bizarre raws apparently. removed.
*Expected Explosion. The Curious Beast Suite is problematic. Not even an Errorlog. Initial Issue reverified. Checking Individuals
**Eater Tested
**Guzzler Tested
**Item Tested
---Removed The 3 Curious* tokens from file entirely. Enabled all other tokens in ZAPALLTAGS
*There are other deadly tokens... still no errorlog... and to reiterate this is ALL the raw tokens in the current raw folder. Even building tokens. Those are expected to crash or errorlog on check or removal.
---Disabled all changes save CV_ADD_TAGS at the bottom to give the creature a name and description.
*Trying nearly clean C_V ... perfectly fine.
*Resuming testing
**Allowing all A's... no crash no errolog
**Allowing all B's... no crash no errolog
**Allowing all C's... no crash no errolog
*Zapping "Description"... boom no errorlog

   DESCRIPTION can apparently only be overwritten? Further testing later.

**fluke check... passed?
*Resuming Testing
**Allowing all D's... no crash no errolog
**Allowing all E's... no crash no errolog
---MOVING Directive TO END... Doesn't seem to be blasting anything.
**Checking A-E's again which should obliterate parts of the critter. ERRORLOG!

   *** Error(s) found in the file "raw/objects/creature_bouldersaurian.txt"
   BOULDERSAURIAN:Tissue layer not added because no BP found: BY_CATEGORY:TOE:CLAW
   BOULDERSAURIAN Color Mod Ending With (WHITE,1) Was Not Used
   BOULDERSAURIAN Color Mod Ending With (BLACK,1) Was Not Used

*Resuming Testing
**Allowing all F's... no crash... same errorlog
**Allowing all G's... no crash... same errorlog
**Allowing all H's... no crash... same errorlog
**Allowing all I's... no crash... same errorlog
**Allowing all J's... no crash... same errorlog
**Allowing all K's... no crash... same errorlog
*Changing Test Parameters... Testing One letter at a time now. Will this be !!FUN!!?
---All Previously tested tokens disabled.
**Allowing all L's... no crash no errolog
**Allowing all M's... BOOM
---Switching to individual tag enabling
***Mannerism? Nope
***Male? ... we blasted FEMALE... no repurcussions so... ... ... assumption valid
---clearing safe tokens instead of leaving the cruft. Allows more clear view of issues... we hope.
***Material? Safe. Surprising.
***MA*?
***ME*?
***MI?
***MO?
***All but Mundane in MU
---Mundane is the 'gut feeling' suspect. Not very scientific...
***Mundane?... Houston Testing has a problem. Something in M sploded... but we've eliminated them all.
***Checking Name before we vanish back to reset part of the test land... in case I had that accidentally also selected.
*Verified. The M set if all enabled and checked for/removed will crash.
**MA? Doesn't seem to be in MA.
**ME?
**MI?
**MO?
**MU?
---Beginning double section tests.
**MA and ME? BOOM. Checking Rest of M. MI MO MU? No crash. No Errorlog
-------We apologize for the Token Hopscotch.
***All but Mannerisms. Mannerisms cleared of all charges.
***Male ...? Cleared.
***Magma*? Magma is safe. Heh
***Max? Cleared
***Metal*?
***Merc?
***Menial Work Exe*
***Meat*?
***Matunial<sp>
***MEnt?
***META... does it break?
***Meanderer?
***Megabeast? Cleared of all charges... leaving mostly material science.
---Suspicions are on Meltingpoint in this Token Hopscotch.
***Meltingpoint? Are you our MA's and ME's culprit? CULPRIT FOUND
****Meltingpoint combined with other MA tokens kills DF. Time to find which ones.
****MatFixed? Cleared...
****Suspicions in place. Clearing Chaff Slowly... MATERIAL_VALUE should be safe. It is.
****MATERIAL_REACTION_PRODUCT. Safe
****MATERIAL_PLACEHOLDER? Safe
****MATERIAL_FORCE_MULTIPLIER? Safe
****MATERIAL_SIZE? Safe
---Only 3 left counting our Culprit
****MATERIAL_TEMPLATE? Culprit Discovered.
****Material? Culprit.

   [CV_REMOVE_TAG:MATERIAL]
   [CV_REMOVE_TAG:MATERIAL_TEMPLATE]
   [CV_REMOVE_TAG:MELTING_POINT]

****Are all bad. /As a group/.
*Resuming Testing at N. Fluke test passed.
**N?
**O?
---Warden Test. Putting everyone /left/ on report. Only an Errorlog.

   *** Error(s) found in the file "raw/objects/creature_bouldersaurian.txt"
   BOULDERSAURIAN:Attack CLAW seems to have correct format but could not find proper BPs in any caste, so not added
   BOULDERSAURIAN:Unrecognized Creature Token: MULTIPLY_VALUE
   BOULDERSAURIAN:Unrecognized Creature Token: COLDDAM_POINT
   BOULDERSAURIAN:Unrecognized Creature Token: HEATDAM_POINT
   BOULDERSAURIAN:Unrecognized Creature Token: IGNITE_POINT
   BOULDERSAURIAN:Unrecognized Creature Token: IF_EXISTS_SET_MELTING_POINT
   BOULDERSAURIAN:Unrecognized Creature Token: IF_EXISTS_SET_BOILING_POINT
   BOULDERSAURIAN:Unrecognized Creature Token: MELTING_POINT
   *** Error(s) finalizing the creature BOULDERSAURIAN
   BOULDERSAURIAN:FEMALE:upper body, layer 1: Tissue SCALE was not found, using first tissue instead
   BOULDERSAURIAN:FEMALE:lower body, layer 1: Tissue SCALE was not found, using first tissue instead
   BOULDERSAURIAN:FEMALE:neck, layer 1: Tissue SCALE was not found, using first tissue instead
   BOULDERSAURIAN:FEMALE:head, layer 1: Tissue SCALE was not found, using first tissue instead
   BOULDERSAURIAN:FEMALE:right front leg, layer 1: Tissue SCALE was not found, using first tissue instead
   BOULDERSAURIAN:FEMALE:left front leg, layer 1: Tissue SCALE was not found, using first tissue instead
   BOULDERSAURIAN:FEMALE:right front foot, layer 1: Tissue SCALE was not found, using first tissue instead
   BOULDERSAURIAN:FEMALE:left front foot, layer 1: Tissue SCALE was not found, using first tissue instead
   BOULDERSAURIAN:FEMALE:right rear leg, layer 1: Tissue SCALE was not found, using first tissue instead
   BOULDERSAURIAN:FEMALE:left rear leg, layer 1: Tissue SCALE was not found, using first tissue instead
   BOULDERSAURIAN:FEMALE:right rear foot, layer 1: Tissue SCALE was not found, using first tissue instead
   BOULDERSAURIAN:FEMALE:left rear foot, layer 1: Tissue SCALE was not found, using first tissue instead
   BOULDERSAURIAN:FEMALE:tail, layer 1: Tissue SCALE was not found, using first tissue instead
   BOULDERSAURIAN:FEMALE:nose, layer 1: Tissue SCALE was not found, using first tissue instead
   BOULDERSAURIAN:FEMALE:throat, layer 1: Tissue SCALE was not found, using first tissue instead
   BOULDERSAURIAN:FEMALE:first right front toe, layer 1: Tissue SCALE was not found, using first tissue instead
   BOULDERSAURIAN:FEMALE:second right front toe, layer 1: Tissue SCALE was not found, using first tissue instead
   BOULDERSAURIAN:FEMALE:third right front toe, layer 1: Tissue SCALE was not found, using first tissue instead
   BOULDERSAURIAN:FEMALE:fourth right front toe, layer 1: Tissue SCALE was not found, using first tissue instead
   BOULDERSAURIAN:FEMALE:first left front toe, layer 1: Tissue SCALE was not found, using first tissue instead
   BOULDERSAURIAN:FEMALE:second left front toe, layer 1: Tissue SCALE was not found, using first tissue instead
   BOULDERSAURIAN:FEMALE:third left front toe, layer 1: Tissue SCALE was not found, using first tissue instead
   BOULDERSAURIAN:FEMALE:fourth left front toe, layer 1: Tissue SCALE was not found, using first tissue instead
   BOULDERSAURIAN:FEMALE:first right rear toe, layer 1: Tissue SCALE was not found, using first tissue instead
   BOULDERSAURIAN:FEMALE:second right rear toe, layer 1: Tissue SCALE was not found, using first tissue instead
   BOULDERSAURIAN:FEMALE:third right rear toe, layer 1: Tissue SCALE was not found, using first tissue instead
   BOULDERSAURIAN:FEMALE:fourth right rear toe, layer 1: Tissue SCALE was not found, using first tissue instead
   BOULDERSAURIAN:FEMALE:first left rear toe, layer 1: Tissue SCALE was not found, using first tissue instead
   BOULDERSAURIAN:FEMALE:second left rear toe, layer 1: Tissue SCALE was not found, using first tissue instead
   BOULDERSAURIAN:FEMALE:third left rear toe, layer 1: Tissue SCALE was not found, using first tissue instead
   BOULDERSAURIAN:FEMALE:fourth left rear toe, layer 1: Tissue SCALE was not found, using first tissue instead
   BOULDERSAURIAN:FEMALE:mouth, layer 1: Tissue SCALE was not found, using first tissue instead
   BOULDERSAURIAN:FEMALE:tongue, layer 1: Tissue SCALE was not found, using first tissue instead
   BOULDERSAURIAN:MALE:upper body, layer 1: Tissue SCALE was not found, using first tissue instead
   BOULDERSAURIAN:MALE:lower body, layer 1: Tissue SCALE was not found, using first tissue instead
   BOULDERSAURIAN:MALE:neck, layer 1: Tissue SCALE was not found, using first tissue instead
   BOULDERSAURIAN:MALE:head, layer 1: Tissue SCALE was not found, using first tissue instead
   BOULDERSAURIAN:MALE:right front leg, layer 1: Tissue SCALE was not found, using first tissue instead
   BOULDERSAURIAN:MALE:left front leg, layer 1: Tissue SCALE was not found, using first tissue instead
   BOULDERSAURIAN:MALE:right front foot, layer 1: Tissue SCALE was not found, using first tissue instead
   BOULDERSAURIAN:MALE:left front foot, layer 1: Tissue SCALE was not found, using first tissue instead
   BOULDERSAURIAN:MALE:right rear leg, layer 1: Tissue SCALE was not found, using first tissue instead
   BOULDERSAURIAN:MALE:left rear leg, layer 1: Tissue SCALE was not found, using first tissue instead
   BOULDERSAURIAN:MALE:right rear foot, layer 1: Tissue SCALE was not found, using first tissue instead
   BOULDERSAURIAN:MALE:left rear foot, layer 1: Tissue SCALE was not found, using first tissue instead
   BOULDERSAURIAN:MALE:tail, layer 1: Tissue SCALE was not found, using first tissue instead
   BOULDERSAURIAN:MALE:nose, layer 1: Tissue SCALE was not found, using first tissue instead
   BOULDERSAURIAN:MALE:throat, layer 1: Tissue SCALE was not found, using first tissue instead
   BOULDERSAURIAN:MALE:first right front toe, layer 1: Tissue SCALE was not found, using first tissue instead
   BOULDERSAURIAN:MALE:second right front toe, layer 1: Tissue SCALE was not found, using first tissue instead
   BOULDERSAURIAN:MALE:third right front toe, layer 1: Tissue SCALE was not found, using first tissue instead
   BOULDERSAURIAN:MALE:fourth right front toe, layer 1: Tissue SCALE was not found, using first tissue instead
   BOULDERSAURIAN:MALE:first left front toe, layer 1: Tissue SCALE was not found, using first tissue instead
   BOULDERSAURIAN:MALE:second left front toe, layer 1: Tissue SCALE was not found, using first tissue instead
   BOULDERSAURIAN:MALE:third left front toe, layer 1: Tissue SCALE was not found, using first tissue instead
   BOULDERSAURIAN:MALE:fourth left front toe, layer 1: Tissue SCALE was not found, using first tissue instead
   BOULDERSAURIAN:MALE:first right rear toe, layer 1: Tissue SCALE was not found, using first tissue instead
   BOULDERSAURIAN:MALE:second right rear toe, layer 1: Tissue SCALE was not found, using first tissue instead
   BOULDERSAURIAN:MALE:third right rear toe, layer 1: Tissue SCALE was not found, using first tissue instead
   BOULDERSAURIAN:MALE:fourth right rear toe, layer 1: Tissue SCALE was not found, using first tissue instead
   BOULDERSAURIAN:MALE:first left rear toe, layer 1: Tissue SCALE was not found, using first tissue instead
   BOULDERSAURIAN:MALE:second left rear toe, layer 1: Tissue SCALE was not found, using first tissue instead
   BOULDERSAURIAN:MALE:third left rear toe, layer 1: Tissue SCALE was not found, using first tissue instead
   BOULDERSAURIAN:MALE:fourth left rear toe, layer 1: Tissue SCALE was not found, using first tissue instead
   BOULDERSAURIAN:MALE:mouth, layer 1: Tissue SCALE was not found, using first tissue instead
   BOULDERSAURIAN:MALE:tongue, layer 1: Tissue SCALE was not found, using first tissue instead


---Presumption. All Crash Tokens found.
---One Final Test... presumably no further testing will be necessary.
*Fresh Errorlog

   *** Error(s) found in the file "raw/objects/creature_bouldersaurian.txt"
   BOULDERSAURIAN:Unrecognized Creature Token: MELTING_POINT

---Test Concluded.

If you think I'm nuts feel free to verify.

Anyone think this needs to be bug reported? I can reproduce it in a snap... and anyone should be able to.

What are your thoughts Forumites?

Edit: I've been told "crash -> bug report" so I'm reporting it.

Edit: http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=7871

Edit: Description is off the hook.

[Deon]

That's amazing to know. Sometimes a mod crashes and there is no way to find out what does it. Having more info like that is very vital for DF modding. You could ask to stick this thread to the top of the forum.

[Eldrick Tobin]

That's amazing to know. Sometimes a mod crashes and there is no way to find out what does it. Having more info like that is very vital for DF modding. You could ask to stick this thread to the top of the forum.

As soon as I narrow down exactly why it's hard to reproduce... -.-; I feel like an idiot. At least I've blown up (CTD) a vanilla install so that's a more favorable situation, than a creature variant rich environment like my base raw directory.

EDIT: looks like it was proximity to the cv being applied, and having 2 of the three "CURIOUSBEAST_" entries as candidates for removal. That is was up to 7 candidates for crashing was:

1) Description being near the cv application with itself on the backlist. http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=6267
2) The M's (as I've been calling them) all synergized with Melting_point when it found itself on the blacklist. It took all three probably due to materials being played with. But 6267 strikes again. I just wish I used the right search terms to find it. I was hunting for examples not just writing in "Creature Variation". Funny I worked for an internet search situation -.-;
3) The Curious Beast stuff is a bafflement. While finding the problem there were such tags, during testing they were absent. Dragons are curious, but the critters I based on them I tore that off before testing. I didn't want them running up to snag items when testing the ITEM Flows. So there was NOTHING to delete. http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=7871

At least I can be done shotgun blasting DF processes

!@#$%^&*(YAY)*&^%$#@!

[Meph]

Its always good to know crash sources. Good work.

[samanato]

I was just wondering now, why my giant creature file was crashing the game for no reason.  Good to know, thanks.

EDIT: It appears also, that adding [SOUND] tags to the end of a base creature will also crash a creature-variation.  (It needs to go in the middle)  This is something I've found out only now while trying to resolve the mystery crashes.

[Eldrick Tobin]

The [SOUND] tag thing is weird o.O

So... I started packing up the changes into my HoldingPen folder so I could keep them safe -from blowing up my installations. Decided to play with things a tad more. Curiousbeast_item is a little less evil than it's siblings... but that's like saying a Dwarf Pulping Minotaur is less evil because it's not a ForgottenBeast/Titan. Guzzler and Eater seemed to like performing CTDs on their OWN which is annotated on my github:

https://github.com/EldrickWT/My-Crazy-Dwarf-Fortress-Mods/blob/master/Holding%20pen/c_variation_pet_civ.txt#L31

All files mumbled about are either in Holding Pen or the raw-40.06 folder structure.

Weirdly Interesting/Morbidly Fascinating/CURIOUS (sorry couldn't help it. Sleep Dep. is catching up...)