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[taat]

When a healthy person enters a situation where they run a risk of being injured due to malpractice by a doctor, it is generally a choice.
Being accosted by the police is not so much a choice

[nenjin]

I would disagree with that. Some people legitimately do "earn" getting stopped by police. If you're walking around drunk shouting at people in your neighborhood, cops are gonna get called and "talk" to you. Many of these high profile cases did start with someone legitimately breaking the law.

The issue is that the response often != the incident. And even when it does match the incident (man reported openly carrying a gun, cops respond in kind), the complete lack of attempts to de-escalate is also a problem.

For example, I believe Chicago just instituted a policy where cops are no longer allowed to pursue suspects for misdemeanor offenses or when the crime is not an immediate threat to the public. That's more in line with what I believe is reasonable. Theft, and even resisting arrest, should not be a death sentence. Carrying an unlicensed fire arm openly (which Texas in their infinite fucking wisdom is trying to make law) should not be a death sentence.

And most of all being Black and Guilty shouldn't be a death sentence. Some cops honestly would rather have a dead civilian on their hands than a criminal who escaped justice. And that's fucking insane. This is not Judge Dredd and anyone who wishes it was should be the first one standing in front of those guns.

[Iduno]

https://twitter.com/VPS_Reports/status/1398703555712753666

Portland Police brainstorming what to charge someone with after they arrested them. Just because you didn't commit a crime, doesn't mean you aren't a target.

[anewaname]

What exactly is Trump's equivalent to this?

Trump's covid solution is the equivalent.

Biden attempted to answer the question by explaining the context of the entire problem of filibustering. He got too deep into the explanation and didn't have enough time to complete the explanation, and he took the queue to break off his response. The rest of the hour-long press release was fine. That is Biden... he is good at working to get all the elements of a problem on the table, so that each of those elements can be addressed separately. But, he doesn't do well with summarizing or witty responses.

Trump attempted to answer the question by providing his solution; a solution that showed he doesn't understand what any of the elements of the problem are, and he doesn't understand how any of the potential solutions work. But he is clearly saying the solution is his and that he is the smart one in the room.

How do people deal with puzzles? This is an excellent puzzle for kids to work on. A kid like Biden would work at it until he could take it apart, put it back together, and would explain in words how to do that. A kid like Trump would break a piece of it so he could dismantle the remainder, glue the broken piece back together, show you the pile of pieces and and say he solved it. This is the difference between "creating a solution for a problem" and "destroying the problem". Now, put the two kids in the same room and while the Biden kid is explaining how to solve it, the Trump kid would interrupt. This is the political interaction that you see a lot with Biden and opponents; Biden failing to summarize something complicated within a limited time frame and being attacked for it. Trump never attempts to solve the puzzles, he only wants the credit for solving it.

Why is this in the abusive policing thread? In policing, the groups of people who attempt to "destroy the problem" are the main source of abusive policing. They are attempting to kill kill kill, just like Trump with his disinfectant and laser solution. It is not all of the police, it is just the ones that seek to "destroy the problem" rather than "solve the problem".

And, having watched that covid press release for the first time, Trump looks like he is on some potent drugs.

[Bumber]

What exactly is Trump's equivalent to this?

Trump's covid solution is the equivalent.

It's stupid, but he's not really wandering off topic. Disinfectants and UV light kill the virus, therefore we should look into using them to kill the virus inside the lungs. He asks if Birx has looked into it (which she hasn't, because it's idiotic.)

Seemed more to me like Trump was unsure and spitballing. Didn't hear him in his usual bold tone saying his answer was correct. Does that come off as being on drugs?

Here's Biden in the 2012 VP debate. He was plenty good with clarity and witty responses back then. There's no comparison to the Biden of today.

Why is this in the abusive policing thread? In policing, the groups of people who attempt to "destroy the problem" are the main source of abusive policing. They are attempting to kill kill kill, just like Trump with his disinfectant and laser solution. It is not all of the police, it is just the ones that seek to "destroy the problem" rather than "solve the problem".

That's kind of a stretch, considering he was only brought up as part of an ad hominem.

[nenjin]

And now for something completely? different:

https://www.theroot.com/fox-news-blocks-the-blue-refuses-to-air-ad-featuring-p-1847048188

[Flying Teasets]

Derek Chauvin, murderer of George Floyd, was sentenced to 22.5 years in prison.

[SOLDIER First]

Should have been life.

[Rolan7]

Should have been life.

Let us think about this from his perspective:
Kneeling on peoples windpipes was generally frowned upon-

But wait, cops can do whatever they want.

[feelotraveller]

Should have been life.

Let us think about this from his perspective:
Kneeling on peoples windpipes was generally frowned upon-

But wait, sometimes cops can do whatever they want.

Fixed that for you. 

Video goes viral as motorists pull over to film encounter between Black woman and police

[Bumber]

Should have been life.

A wife who shoots a cheating husband to death can get 5 years with a plea deal. 22.5 years without a plea deal still seems above par for the criminal justice system, honestly.

[delphonso]

Should have been life.

A wife who shoots a cheating husband to death can get 5 years with a plea deal. 22.5 years without a plea deal still seems above par for the criminal justice system, honestly.

Hate crime murders tend to be pretty long sentences - 20 to life with a recent case of some New England guy getting 49 years for a hate crime double homicide. 22.5 seems fair if anything.

[Duuvian]

US states have differing sentencing statutes that are not at all uniform, and in addition each state has it's own statute even for similar crimes which will usually if not always enumerate punishments in a subsection.

Thus it would require examining sentencing precedent in the state in question on the statute sentenced upon for a fair comparison of whether the sentence is unusually lengthy in an individual sentencing. In addition I should note that there has recently  been a general weakening of the of the binding power of sentencing guidelines in some jurisdictions due to upper court decisions upon a judge's discretion in sentencing, often in theory towards allowing greater judicial flexibility to go either above or below in jurisdictions where both options are possible (an example where it is not is a state that used a ballot proposal during the Tough on Crime era to insist on a mandatory minimum sentence that a sentence cannot by any way be reduced below, and which the legislature would requie a near impossible threshold to overturn); but mostly resulting in sentences above guidelines with less need for justification by a judge in why the guidelines in the particular case must be exceeded due to the guidelines being inadequate for the crime in question, in practice.

In this particular case IIRC (without doublechecking) the sentence delivered was within the sentencing guidelines set by the state.

EDIT: According to this from 2018
https://oxfordre.com/criminology/view/10.1093/acrefore/9780190264079.001.0001/acrefore-9780190264079-e-466

I was apparently wrong about departures from guidelines mostly being upwards. My main way of looking at legal precedents is through a software at a college's law library, so my assumption was based from the fact that software does not catalogue anything but appellate cases that would set binding precedent on lower courts. That means I was looking at all the sentences that were appealed to upper courts. Pre-Pandemic there were many such appeals as I had mentioned above, judicial discretion was expanded and this resulted in many sentences that made their way on appeal to upper courts to further delineate what degree the newfound judicial flexibility extended.

[Bumber]

Hate crime murders tend to be pretty long sentences - 20 to life with a recent case of some New England guy getting 49 years for a hate crime double homicide. 22.5 seems fair if anything.

Was he actually convicted of a hate crime?

I see "second-degree unintentional murder, third-degree murder, and second-degree manslaughter".

[SOLDIER First]

A wife who shoots a cheating husband to death can get 5 years with a plea deal. 22.5 years without a plea deal still seems above par for the criminal justice system, honestly.

And yet it still wasn't a life sentence. So it's not enough.