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[Gentlefish]

"kill" and "murder" are different yes? From what I've heard the KJB translated the hebrew wording to "kill" when it should be "murder". And war isn't murder, it's killing. So war is okay.

[Orange Wizard]

It's a fairly interesting discussion. In my eyes, killing is never okay. That doesn't mean it can't be justified (like self-defence, or protecting someone else) but as far as I'm concerned it should always be a last resort.

[Gnorm]

"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." -Matthew 10:34

I've recently taken this passage to relate to the disagreement surrounding the topics of Christianity. You cannot bring good into the world without rocking it or creating controversy. Hence, " For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law."

[penguinofhonor]

Yeah but then we made those swords into ploughshares or. Something something war into farming.

Dragons and basilisks? Swords to plowshares? The Bible sounds a lot like Magic the Gathering sometimes.

Maybe MTG is subliminal Biblical advertising. The back of the cards is supposed to look like an old book. Why not the oldest, bookiest book?

[Bohandas]

... more specifically, "thou shalt not kill" is... well, wrong. "Thou shalt not murder" is closer, but still not quite what the original said.

Young's Literal Translation renders it as "Thou dost not murder."

[Orange Wizard]

NIV is "you shall not murder", I think.

[hops]

I, personally, am a retired Catholic (long, probably boring story)

You should have went traveling.

So that you become a roamin' Catholic.

[timferius]

I, personally, am a retired Catholic (long, probably boring story)

You should have went traveling.

So that you become a roamin' Catholic.

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You have made my day, I tried really hard not to laugh out loud, but failed.

[Cryxis, Prince of Doom]

It's a fairly interesting discussion. In my eyes, killing is never okay. That doesn't mean it can't be justified (like self-defence, or protecting someone else) but as far as I'm concerned it should always be a last resort.

Yes killing should be a last resort
But that being said a warrior has few options nowadays when artillery shells are going off and bullets are flying by, it's a bit hard to just incampacitate the enemy

[timferius]

Well, killing is never ok and killing as a last resort is two different things. I generally would never hurt a fly, if someone were to be an imminent threat to my children and the only option was their death, I would probably feel no guilt, and not regret the decision I would make at that point.

[Cryxis, Prince of Doom]

And with self defence

If you get mugged but you know how to defend yourself, should you kill him or break him and call the cops or just let it happen and do nothing

IMO, if you should get assaulted then you should be allowed to defend yourself but if you can do it without killing the person and staying safe then that would be preferred

[Frumple]

'Course, the bible doesn't really say either way on the subject*, insofar as I'm aware. Maybe Christ wanted killing to be a last resort thing? Critter doesn't say, and YWHW definitely wouldn't agree with the sentiment. Common modern follower's ethics almost certainly diverge from the initial cult fellower's ethics on the subject, heh.

I'd probably wager something along those lines is why not much is said on the subject in the text itself -- the people of the day already had courses of actions that were "given" in regards to killing, so there wasn't much that needed to be put to scripture.

Fastforward two thousand years where murdering every male of a conquered nation, dividing their domestic animals in quarters (or whatever that line was), and keeping the remaining virgins isn't considered kosher and things are suddenly (for a given metric of sudden, considering it's been 2k years, ha) murky on the topic.

*Well, unless your nation has laws regarding appropriate response in such situations, anyway, which a fair number are pretty explicit regarding. Then laws of the land and whatnot.

[Graknorke]

And with self defence

If you get mugged but you know how to defend yourself, should you kill him or break him and call the cops or just let it happen and do nothing

IMO, if you should get assaulted then you should be allowed to defend yourself but if you can do it without killing the person and staying safe then that would be preferred

That is...
I am pretty sure definitely not at all the thing Jesus would say to do.

[Leafsnail]

How about that whole "turn the other cheek" thing

[Frumple]

Wikipedia, maaan.

That wink fellow's interpretation is pretty interesting. Not so much non-resistence as Jesus advocating being a jackass in response to jackassery. Might be interesting to do some research and see how justified an interpretation it is...

I kinda' like the sense of escalation in the cloak bit. "Take my shirt, eh? Well, alright, time to flash a foo'. Cost of admission, one eyefull of my entire righteous splendor! It has more wrinkles than an elephant's arse, AND NOW I'M GOING TO SHARE!"

And now I can see a situation where "Naked Pelvic Thrusts For God" is actually a thing. I wonder how a mugger would actually react to that?