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[StagnantSoul]

So your basing the entire fan base off of a few kids? I've met one person under 16 who watches Yogscast.

[Kingbodz]

So your basing the entire fan base off of a few kids? I've met one person under 16 who watches Yogscast.

I'm not bashing all Yognaughts (as I still watch some of the Yogs. Mainly sips and the hat gang.) But the majority of the fanbase I've seen on Youtube and IRL is fanbois under 16. The only ones I know of that are 16 and above are on the subreddit.

[Orange Wizard]

Weird.

[Dyret]

The Yogscast fanbase seems fairly reasonable, if young and emotional. Then again, I really only watch Hannah's stuff these days. In any event, you probably shouldn't be running aroung telling people your youtubers are better than theirs.

[Kingbodz]

Let's get back on topic shall we? Minecraft is better than DF in one way. Multiplayer. You can play with friends. That's it. Survival is too easy and hardcore is a joke. Sure you can build stuff in 3D but in DF you can control the world. Also I can kill dragons with a giants corpse. I don't you can do that in Minecraft.

[StagnantSoul]

You can control the world almost as accurately in Minecraft too. Even have lava oceans.

[lowbart]

This is a stupid argument. It's pointless to debate which one is "better". They're very different games which are good for different things. It's not like Forza vs Gran Turismo.

[miauw62]

Let's get back on topic shall we? Minecraft is better than DF in one way. Multiplayer. You can play with friends. That's it. Survival is too easy and hardcore is a joke. Sure you can build stuff in 3D but in DF you can control the world. Also I can kill dragons with a giants corpse. I don't you can do that in Minecraft.

Do I have to quote my rant again or did you miss it the first time?

[StagnantSoul]

Just saying something that someone doesn't agree with wont do anything to convince them. If I sat here all day, saying "You don't play Dwarf Fortress." would that make you think you don't?

[Chevaleresse]

I like both. DF, I find more amusing at the moment. They're different games entirely, I don't really know why you'd compare them.

[metime00]

2. Minecraft modding is far more open.
Simply, Minecraft is more moddable. Dwarf Fortress does not have anything even remotely resembling programming. Interactions are turing complete, but as a system it's harder to use than brainfuck and nearly impossible to actually get output that's really meaningful to people. Minecraft uses Java, a fairly popular programming language that you can write whatever in, and it has wonderfully skilled programmers working to make it even easier for you.

This is really only because it's much easier to decompile Java bytecode back into Java (even if it's obfuscated) than it is to decompile machine code back into C++.

This is actually very true. Mojang promised a modding API so many times but they never delivered.

Minecraft is fun and it's a pretty good game, but the management on it is atrocious. Mojang's management is what happens when you give an unskilled amateur millions of dollars and tell him to head a studio. It's the sort of mess Toady has said he wants to avoid (not Minecraft specifically, but team work on a project). And the programmers who work on Minecraft are either average (at best), or stuck having to interface with bad legacy code from solo Notch days. If you think development is slow with Dwarf Fortress, Minecraft takes months for cosmetic changes like multicolored blocks.

You can argue the developer-side benefits of Java over C++ any day, and I'd probably agree with you on all counts (though both are antiquated and should not be treated as the standards of programming languages they are in so much of the industry). However, even the secondhand knowledge we, as potential fans of both games, have into either's development shows very clearly that as far as actual software creation and programming goes, Toady One is leagues ahead of the Minecraft team.

We should have more threads arguing the meta of Minecraft vs Dwarf Fortress. The "which game would be most likely to make a modern computer scientist cry" competition.

[miauw62]

Just saying something that someone doesn't agree with wont do anything to convince them. If I sat here all day, saying "You don't play Dwarf Fortress." would that make you think you don't?

There is a difference between facts and opinions.

[Putnam]

How do you determine which is which?

[StagnantSoul]

Any "fact" can be disproven falsely. Really, that "rant" wasn't a rant, it was an average response, and it was completely your opinion.

[Orange Wizard]

It's not a fact if it can be disproved, silly.