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Author Topic: Russia Watch Thread/Ветка о России  (Read 128877 times)

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Re: Russia Watch Thread/Ветка о России
« Reply #2625 on: January 23, 2015, 12:33:37 pm »

Unless it is an answer to the same order in Ukrainian forces (I haven't been following the topic for awhile, I don't know if there was one), screw that guy.
Even if it is, it still is unacceptable.
Knit, what's your take on this?
That's just political posturing that has been exagerrated by the source. Zakharchenko hasn't given the order yet, and I seriously doubt it that he ever will, due to not being an idiot and realising that this will be borderline suicidal. And even then it can be easily shot down by Putin, who still wants to not inflate this conflict any more than necessary.

TL,DR: Like that "gay driver" law - much ado about nothing.
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« Reply #2626 on: January 23, 2015, 12:34:15 pm »

He is also saying that he will no longer try to establish a truce and will move his forces to the border and they'll attack if they see a threat. The no longer trying to establish a truce is understandable, given how previous ceasefires and truces went. However, the moving the forces to the border and attacking if they see a threat, well, I can see lots of ways that could go wrong, for one, the Ukranian commanders might view that as an invasion or preparing for an invasion and attack anyway, or they might attack something that they think is a threat and create an even bigger fight.
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Re: Russia Watch Thread/Ветка о России
« Reply #2627 on: January 23, 2015, 12:36:56 pm »

Unless it is an answer to the same order in Ukrainian forces (I haven't been following the topic for awhile, I don't know if there was one), screw that guy.
Even if it is, it still is unacceptable.
Knit, what's your take on this?
That's just political posturing that has been exagerrated by the source. Zakharchenko hasn't given the order yet, and I seriously doubt it that he ever will, due to not being an idiot and realising that this will be borderline suicidal. And even then it can be easily shot down by Putin, who still wants to not inflate this conflict any more than necessary.

TL,DR: Like that "gay driver" law - much ado about nothing.
Have you actually listened to the interview? Did you hear how he said the words "I'll give an order to no longer take prisoners"?

He will fucking do it. He's a serious as a person at war can be.
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Re: Russia Watch Thread/Ветка о России
« Reply #2628 on: January 23, 2015, 12:39:57 pm »

He is also saying that he will no longer try to establish a truce and will move his forces to the border and they'll attack if they see a threat. The no longer trying to establish a truce is understandable, given how previous ceasefires and truces went. However, the moving the forces to the border and attacking if they see a threat, well, I can see lots of ways that could go wrong, for one, the Ukranian commanders might view that as an invasion or preparing for an invasion and attack anyway, or they might attack something that they think is a threat and create an even bigger fight.
He says something quite different in Russian: Zakharchenko wants no further truces until the Ukrainians have been kicked out of the Donetskaya and Luganskaya oblasts, but then the rebel advance will stop period, with no further attacks into the territory of Ukraine proper, and he also states that all attacking forces will be responded to with force. There's nothing about any preemptive attacks there.

Unless it is an answer to the same order in Ukrainian forces (I haven't been following the topic for awhile, I don't know if there was one), screw that guy.
Even if it is, it still is unacceptable.
Knit, what's your take on this?
That's just political posturing that has been exagerrated by the source. Zakharchenko hasn't given the order yet, and I seriously doubt it that he ever will, due to not being an idiot and realising that this will be borderline suicidal. And even then it can be easily shot down by Putin, who still wants to not inflate this conflict any more than necessary.

TL,DR: Like that "gay driver" law - much ado about nothing.
Have you actually listened to the interview? Did you hear how he said the words "I'll give an order to no longer take prisoners"?

He will fucking do it. He's a serious as a person at war can be.
Sergarr, do you honestly think a politician can't simply make threats? To sound threatening and then do nothing afterwards?
« Last Edit: January 23, 2015, 12:41:28 pm by Knit tie »
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Re: Russia Watch Thread/Ветка о России
« Reply #2629 on: January 23, 2015, 12:44:41 pm »

He is also saying that he will no longer try to establish a truce and will move his forces to the border and they'll attack if they see a threat. The no longer trying to establish a truce is understandable, given how previous ceasefires and truces went. However, the moving the forces to the border and attacking if they see a threat, well, I can see lots of ways that could go wrong, for one, the Ukranian commanders might view that as an invasion or preparing for an invasion and attack anyway, or they might attack something that they think is a threat and create an even bigger fight.

He mentions that he will push Ukrainian forces form the cities and won't remove the forces from the front line.

He uses a peculiar term for Front line - разграничительная линия - which means "the line that divides". It may refer to state borders, but it may refer to front line as well. That might be the cause of the misconception.
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Re: Russia Watch Thread/Ветка о России
« Reply #2630 on: January 23, 2015, 12:46:07 pm »

How about we wait a bit and see what he actually does, instead of reading into his words? I think that would be a smarter thing to do.
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« Reply #2631 on: January 23, 2015, 12:46:37 pm »

I meant from the Ukranian perspective, given how that's what Russia did, quick build up and then surprise attack. Seriously doubt the Donbass people would be able to pull that off on that kind of scale though.

It's also possible something got lost in the translation because Google translate.
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Re: Russia Watch Thread/Ветка о России
« Reply #2632 on: January 23, 2015, 12:49:27 pm »

How about we wait a bit and see what he actually does, instead of reading into his words? I think that would be a smarter thing to do.

Fully agreed.
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Re: Russia Watch Thread/Ветка о России
« Reply #2633 on: January 23, 2015, 12:51:26 pm »

How about we wait a bit and see what he actually does, instead of reading into his words? I think that would be a smarter thing to do.

True, it could be hot air for all we know.

Fully agreed.
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Re: Russia Watch Thread/Ветка о России
« Reply #2634 on: January 23, 2015, 12:54:30 pm »

Anyway, news from the front.

Cassad-pasha Al Novorossiya reports that Ukraine has started sending in its reserves, the conflict has intensified even further and depending on the situation, we might actually see some "North Wind blowing" - actual Russian army actually fighting.

EDIT: McCain has announced that Ukraine will start getting actual arms soon. Two possible predictions: if Ukraine has already been covertly getting arms from the USA, then nothing serious will happen, if not, then Ukraine is screwed.
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« Reply #2635 on: January 23, 2015, 12:59:46 pm »

I think you mean a nor'easter /stupidjoke
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Re: Russia Watch Thread/Ветка о России
« Reply #2636 on: January 23, 2015, 01:00:36 pm »

EDIT: McCain has announced that Ukraine will start getting actual arms soon. Two possible predictions: if Ukraine has already been covertly getting arms from the USA, then nothing serious will happen, if not, then Ukraine is screwed.

Why would Ukraine be screwed? Finally this can turn into what it should've turned into months ago: A repeat of the first Afghanistan war.
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Re: Russia Watch Thread/Ветка о России
« Reply #2637 on: January 23, 2015, 01:02:43 pm »

EDIT: McCain has announced that Ukraine will start getting actual arms soon. Two possible predictions: if Ukraine has already been covertly getting arms from the USA, then nothing serious will happen, if not, then Ukraine is screwed.

Why would Ukraine be screwed? Finally this can turn into what it should've turned into months ago: A repeat of the first Afghanistan war.
There is a distinct lack of mountains to hide in, though...
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Re: Russia Watch Thread/Ветка о России
« Reply #2638 on: January 23, 2015, 01:04:29 pm »

But Ukrainians are white, remember? The world cares about white people!
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« Reply #2639 on: January 23, 2015, 01:10:32 pm »

Ukrainians are white

pff, nobody other than protestant anglo-saxons is white

what is white anyway

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