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[deepspaceprobe9]

What would the SHOOTFORCE and MAXLEVEL be on an item thrown by an average human be?

[Urist Da Vinci]

IIRC I found that thrown items are given a velocity of 100 regardless of item mass, but this may have changed with the 0.40.xx versions, considering that heavy thrown items don't seem to fly as far anymore.

[deepspaceprobe9]

Good enough for now

[Sergarr]

IIRC I found that thrown items are given a velocity of 100 regardless of item mass, but this may have changed with the 0.40.xx versions, considering that heavy thrown items don't seem to fly as far anymore.

Does that mean that the thrown items have the same momentum?

[Urist Da Vinci]

Did some disassembly diving. How it works now:

1. Get item weight (i.e. a 6.28 kg iron axe)
2. Velocity = (50 * strength) / (1000 * weight), rounding down to nearest integer and capped at 100.
so i.e. a normal strength 1000 human can hurl the axe at velocity 7, whereas a strength 2000 human vampire can throw the axe at velocity 15. (If the normal human swung his axe in melee, he would be attacking at velocity 12, according to my combat calculator script)
Momentum is therefore effectively locked at 50*strength/1000 (i.e. a maximum throwing momentum of 250). Unlike wrestling throws, there is no size modifier, so giants and gnomes have the same ability to throw.
Creatures that spit solid globs spit them at velocity 100.

3. The distance at which the item falls to the ground (this is the pre-minecart old projectile system, remember!) is set to the velocity or 20, whichever is less. Therefore if the item falls to the ground in i.e. 3 tiles, it must have been thrown at velocity 3!


It appears that throwing your sword in DF is a bad idea now.

[Putnam]

Is this number equal to the force in the raws, or is there some other correlation?

[Sergarr]

Did some disassembly diving. How it works now:

1. Get item weight (i.e. a 6.28 kg iron axe)
2. Velocity = (50 * strength) / (1000 * weight), rounding down to nearest integer and capped at 100.
so i.e. a normal strength 1000 human can hurl the axe at velocity 7, whereas a strength 2000 human vampire can throw the axe at velocity 15. (If the normal human swung his axe in melee, he would be attacking at velocity 12, according to my combat calculator script)
Momentum is therefore effectively locked at 50*strength/1000 (i.e. a maximum throwing momentum of 250). Unlike wrestling throws, there is no size modifier, so giants and gnomes have the same ability to throw.
Creatures that spit solid globs spit them at velocity 100.

3. The distance at which the item falls to the ground (this is the pre-minecart old projectile system, remember!) is set to the velocity or 20, whichever is less. Therefore if the item falls to the ground in i.e. 3 tiles, it must have been thrown at velocity 3!


It appears that throwing your sword in DF is a bad idea now.

Why is strength max-capped at 5?

[Putnam]

It definitely isn't; if you have a strength of 2500000, you can throw things that are way heavier quickly than someone with only 5 strength.

[Sergarr]

I mean why does his calcs has a max cap on throwing momentum and why is it so low

[Putnam]

If I were to guess, it's because snowball fights inevitably caving in skulls was a bit ridiculous.

[Dirst]

If I were to guess, it's because snowball fights inevitably caving in skulls was a bit ridiculous.

That's a problem with lots of games that try to cover a really wide scale.  I remember couple oddities from the HERO system of games, that basically come from their "pushing" mechanic for adrenalin rushes.  A normal human pushing his strength could crush a car with his bare feet and throw a football for 180 meters.  One of those sounds a little harder to accomplish than the other.

[pisskop]

Yea, thats an absurd distance to trow a football.

[Urist Da Vinci]

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Why is strength max-capped at 5?

It definitely isn't; if you have a strength of 2500000, you can throw things that are way heavier quickly than someone with only 5 strength.

Isn't strength (or any other physical or mental attributes) on a scale from 0 to 5000? Or at least those are the caps for RAW file input, if you are entering higher numbers via DFHack?

Is this number equal to the force in the raws, or is there some other correlation?

Which number is equal to what force in what raw? I would like to help, but could you re-ask the question?

If I were to guess, it's because snowball fights inevitably caving in skulls was a bit ridiculous.

Powders and liquids now auto-splash into contaminants on the struck body part without applying any force or damage. This was probably done soon after Toady first implemented the spitting social reaction.

[Putnam]

1. Attributes aren't hard-capped and their effects are noticeable even at much higher numbers. If you have a creature with more than 2500 in an attribute, that creature may train that attribute to more than 5000. The same happens if you increase the creature cap.
2. Ranged weapon force, I forgot the exact token.

[Sergarr]

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Why is strength max-capped at 5?

It definitely isn't; if you have a strength of 2500000, you can throw things that are way heavier quickly than someone with only 5 strength.

Isn't strength (or any other physical or mental attributes) on a scale from 0 to 5000? Or at least those are the caps for RAW file input, if you are entering higher numbers via DFHack?

Syndromes have been capable of giving creatures nearly-unlimited stats since DF2012.