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Author Topic: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée  (Read 907318 times)

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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #19635 on: June 15, 2016, 12:25:24 pm »

I hope those people that says that woman should not serve in the military because we need their uteruses to make babies are just making Dr. Strangelove references and are not being serious.
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« Reply #19636 on: June 15, 2016, 12:32:32 pm »

I hope those people that says that woman should not serve in the military because we need their uteruses to make babies are just making Dr. Strangelove references and are not being serious.

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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #19637 on: June 15, 2016, 12:33:25 pm »

'Fraid many of the folks making that kind of statement in the US don't even know what Dr. Strangelove is, sheb. Your hopes are more stillborn than the existence of a repopulation issue.
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« Reply #19638 on: June 15, 2016, 12:38:11 pm »

Welp, TheBiggerFish? Please tell meyou were making a Dr. Strangelove reference, and not casually reducing all women to their uterus.
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« Reply #19639 on: June 15, 2016, 12:39:31 pm »

I wasn't really doing the former or the latter.
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« Reply #19640 on: June 15, 2016, 12:47:04 pm »

Yeah that's a bit harsh...  It was an issue in ancient times, after all.  It's a pretty common misconception here in the states, which is unfortunate.
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« Reply #19641 on: June 15, 2016, 01:00:07 pm »

I'm happy to see it, if only because all the people who'll have to register now will get pissed and try to scrap the thing. We don't need a draft, and now that we're a nuclear power the only cases I can think of where we would is more of a 'get the fuck out if you can, we mad max now' kind of situation. People were rightly livid when they tried to conscript people to go to Vietnam, and getting rid of it was one of the only good things Nixon did. Why Carter thought bringing it back again was a good idea is beyond me.
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« Reply #19642 on: June 15, 2016, 01:04:47 pm »

I'm happy to see it, if only because all the people who'll have to register now will get pissed and try to scrap the thing. We don't need a draft, and now that we're a nuclear power the only cases I can think of where we would is more of a 'get the fuck out if you can, we mad max now' kind of situation. People were rightly livid when they tried to conscript people to go to Vietnam, and getting rid of it was one of the only good things Nixon did. Why Carter thought bringing it back again was a good idea is beyond me.

I always thought the draft was just being set up as a "Worst case scenario" where we are just writing "yes, if we ever HAVE to use a draft again both men and women will be involved"
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« Reply #19643 on: June 15, 2016, 01:21:52 pm »

It's difficult to imagine people getting pissed about just having to register for it. With the post-Vietnam loss of the draft, the US has been able to stay permanently and almost continuously involved in a conflict or occupation somewhere without it having any meaningful impact on civilian contentedness or consciousness, while simultaneously getting to milk the military heroics narrative for all it's worth. With the disaster of dissent and public outrage that accompanied even limited mobilization for the Vietnam war, I don't see the US government reinstating the draft any time soon, or the public caring enough about being in the (already antiquated) system that they demand it be dismantled entirely.
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #19644 on: June 15, 2016, 01:23:26 pm »

I could see new-feminists trying, but they'd do anything for more attention.
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #19645 on: June 15, 2016, 01:27:40 pm »

I'unno, I could see folks being easily irritated by previously unnecessary paperwork, regardless of the amount or strenuousness of it. S'also th'fact that it expanding to women will probably mean all that shit that's locked behind selective service registration will suddenly come clamping down for them, too.
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #19646 on: June 15, 2016, 01:38:39 pm »

Eh?
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« Reply #19647 on: June 15, 2016, 01:39:45 pm »

It's been a while (over a decade) but don't you just have to check a checkbox or some shit to sign up for the draft?
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« Reply #19648 on: June 15, 2016, 01:42:10 pm »

It's been a while (over a decade) but don't you just have to check a checkbox or some shit to sign up for the draft?

You can sign up for the draft... but that is volunteering

Otherwise you are ALWAYS in the Draft and there are few ways out of it.
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« Reply #19649 on: June 15, 2016, 01:43:33 pm »

Little bit more to it than that, iirc, and there's also cards and whatnot involved. Usually do it in tandem with something else, sure, but in this case many of 'em will have already done said things. Unless it's only going to apply to people coming of age in the future, I guess. Haven't actually looked at any details, heh.
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