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Author Topic: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée  (Read 825479 times)

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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #19680 on: June 05, 2016, 06:58:55 am »

Democratic party is stronkest at democracticising http://boingboing.net/2016/06/03/california-democratic-primary.html
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TooLazyDontRedirect: Democratic Party send out generally uncounted dummy ballots to no party preference voters because they'll probably go and do something silly like vote for sanders in the primary.

It isn't clear who gave those instructions though.
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #19681 on: June 05, 2016, 07:08:46 am »

I've read that provisional ballots are counted as normal votes, so "dummy ballots" is quite misleading.
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #19682 on: June 05, 2016, 07:18:06 am »

Uh, last I ran into 'em, yeah. Mostly. Iirc there's some kind of vetting thing before they're officially counted, but they still can be. You would be casting a provisional vote if you showed up to vote sans ID, ferex, from what I recall.
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #19683 on: June 05, 2016, 08:22:35 am »

TooLazyDontRedirect: Democratic Party send out generally uncounted dummy ballots to no party preference voters because they'll probably go and do something silly like vote for sanders in the primary.

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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #19684 on: June 05, 2016, 08:57:39 am »

Last I heard the provisional ballots aren't even looked at unless the closeness of the "real" votes demands a recount. But this was from a previous election cycle, things could have changed.

The assumption being that if one candidate won by a decent margin the provisional ballots aren't going to change anything as they'd more or less follow the same pattern.
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« Reply #19685 on: June 05, 2016, 09:40:59 am »

Don't attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

At least the first time.
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #19686 on: June 05, 2016, 11:19:23 am »

Well this isn't the first time that people made accusations of election tampering.  So do we attribute these empty allegations to malice or stupidity?  I'm leaning towards stupidity because well... it's really stupid.

Accusing someone of rigging an election to help the candidate who has consistently lead in the polls, in a race that doesn't even matter but where the consequences of getting caught would be huge... that's a really stupid theory.  If there was actual malice it wouldn't be hard to come up with something plausible.
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #19687 on: June 05, 2016, 11:55:15 am »

I'unno, maybe they don't even want something plausible. Could be they don't want to get stuff to stick, for whatever reason, they're just throwing eggs at the wall to make it nasty with oozing yolk.
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« Reply #19688 on: June 05, 2016, 12:12:32 pm »

Well this isn't the first time that people made accusations of election tampering.  So do we attribute these empty allegations to malice or stupidity?  I'm leaning towards stupidity because well... it's really stupid.

Accusing someone of rigging an election to help the candidate who has consistently lead in the polls, in a race that doesn't even matter but where the consequences of getting caught would be huge... that's a really stupid theory.  If there was actual malice it wouldn't be hard to come up with something plausible.

Unless it's an indication of a larger pattern which has been going on the entire primary season, and nobody's noticed until now.  ;)
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #19689 on: June 05, 2016, 12:14:46 pm »

Well yeah, but even the independent pollsters?
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #19690 on: June 05, 2016, 12:24:05 pm »

Unless it's an indication of a larger pattern which has been going on the entire primary season, and nobody's noticed until now.  ;)
An explanation as plausible as the continuing population explosion the lesser floridian invisible pink unicorn is experiencing :V

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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #19691 on: June 05, 2016, 01:09:09 pm »

Unless it's an indication of a larger pattern which has been going on the entire primary season, and nobody's noticed until now.  ;)

This feels way closer to Poe's law then it should be.
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #19692 on: June 05, 2016, 01:34:26 pm »

Hah, a fact-based ABC report on the San Jose riot delivered by the guy Trump called a sleaze last week. If that's what it takes to get proper news, then so be it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CI1t8dtcXWE
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #19693 on: June 05, 2016, 01:38:35 pm »

Funny how when he's critical of Trump he's a sleaze, and when he's not he's fact-based. :p
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« Reply #19694 on: June 05, 2016, 01:52:13 pm »

He was lying, got called on it very publicly, and is now trying to salvage his reputation.
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