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Author Topic: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée  (Read 828070 times)

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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #19635 on: June 04, 2016, 02:19:41 pm »

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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #19636 on: June 04, 2016, 02:23:05 pm »

Frumple, that 3.2b self-funding does not surprise me. As I said, $20,000 for the paperwork through USCIS alone. We get to spend another $2500 in a few years just to get citizenship.
Hey, hey. 3.168b of self funding. 1% came from the fed. And I'm sure at least some millions came from passport fees and whatnot!

And by sure, I mean I just checked, and found out the USCIS doesn't handle passports at all. Welp.

But yeah, hadn't really looked at it much. Today I learned we have instantiated what appears to multi-billion dollar industry substantially dedicated using those multiple billions to make more multiple billions from people trying to immigrate (with a side order of actually helping them immigrate), apparently because our government/people cannot be arsed to give much of a fuck's worth of support for 'em.

What the fuck, country my country?

On the other hand, I guess there has to be some kind of twisted kudos given to the USCIS? They are apparently exploiting the hell out of the people they're supposed to be helping (i.e. being what can only be grotesquely inefficient and ineffective, just to maintain funding), and still managing to process quite a lot of people. It's seriously screwed straight up fucked up, but at the same time somehow somewhat impressive.

E: Definitely goes a long way towards explaining how we're apparently not beating the BAMF at the game, though. Seriously, how the hell can we let that go? We could be legitimately saying the US immigration services are more badass than the BAMF, and we're letting this opportunity slip through our gorram fingers.

Fun fact- while you're waiting for your greencard application to go from "being filed" to "pending", your biometric information has to be renewed repeatedly; I think it's once every 2 years.

And yes, it takes over 2 years.

Another fun fact- in 2013, USCIS finally managed to start processing the applications that were filed in 2007. So, they were 6 years behind 3 years ago.


This is all, of course, a matter of if they don't lose your fucking paperwork for 6 months as they did with mine.
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #19637 on: June 04, 2016, 02:28:43 pm »

I guess it sorta' makes sense, having a better handle on the numbers involved, now. You've got ~19k people spread out over 200+ offices, trying to process... what, millions of applications? Tens of millions? You'd probably kinda' expect that to be a bit... behind. And that's if they're actually trying to process things in a timely and efficient manner. Which is a big if when they're basically being paid to figure out how to do the exact opposite :-\

What makes less sense is that you've got 19k people spread out over everywhere trying to process multiple millions of immigration applications while functionally not getting paid save what they can scrape from the applicants, of course.
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #19638 on: June 04, 2016, 02:30:39 pm »

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« Reply #19639 on: June 04, 2016, 02:31:26 pm »

Look at this list of questions and weep.

This shit takes forever because goddamn do they make it take forever.

Here are the instructions.

And this is the trivial one; the one that you just have to do if you married into the country.
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #19640 on: June 04, 2016, 02:45:19 pm »

I think one of the most fun things about that list of questions is that number 4 (have you aided in any way an organization, etc.) is one that anyone that has ever paid taxes in the US would have to answer yes to :V

That ever in there is a helluva' thing when your country has any military history whatsoever...
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #19641 on: June 04, 2016, 02:48:09 pm »

The fact that they ask if you're a communist is fucking hilarious.
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #19642 on: June 04, 2016, 02:49:34 pm »

hey, soviet spies are everywhere. must keep them out.

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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #19643 on: June 04, 2016, 02:50:40 pm »

Fucking retired russians, gotta keep em off mah lawn!
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #19644 on: June 04, 2016, 03:04:42 pm »

The filing fee for that form, by the way, is $985. Per person.

And that's just for the greencard. There's still the form to immigrate in the first place, which is another $580. This is, of course, just the application for the person whose visa the rest of the family comes in on. This is then filed concurrently to the tune of $420 per person.

For a family of 5 we're already sitting at a cost of $10,000, if you include biometrics. That doesn't even include things such as obtaining EADs ($380 per), travel documents ($360 per), or other such things.
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #19645 on: June 04, 2016, 03:08:31 pm »

I think I'm starting to understand why citizenship tends to be one of those things you either have to begin with or never get.

On the other hand, I guess the sunk costs fallacy is a great way to build loyalty to your new country of residence.
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #19646 on: June 04, 2016, 04:02:06 pm »

The fact that they ask if you're a communist is fucking hilarious.
Communist or party of another other totalitarian regime, hands up if your government doesn't count as totalitarian, anyone?
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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #19647 on: June 04, 2016, 04:43:31 pm »

I find it interesting that the question about military service does not distinguish between militants, insurgents and soldiers - seems more concerned with identifying anyone who has any fighting experience irregardless of legitimacy

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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #19648 on: June 04, 2016, 04:47:22 pm »

On the other hand, I guess the sunk costs fallacy is a great way to build loyalty to your new country of residence.

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Re: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée
« Reply #19649 on: June 04, 2016, 04:49:22 pm »

I find it interesting that the question about military service does not distinguish between militants, insurgents and soldiers - seems more concerned with identifying anyone who has any fighting experience irregardless of legitimacy
i would be more concerned if they said yes to the committed genocide question.
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