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[Teneb]

Since CA is taking its sweet time in fixing the literal game-breaking bug with Vampire Coves...

Someone made a mod to disable them


EDIT: This one blocks agents

It's shitty that we need this to play the damn game.

[Hanslanda]

I've got the Sword of Khaine and am starting with Ulthuan and those poncy elves.

[Teneb]

I've edited my post above with more stuff to prevent game-ending bugs, but here's something unrelated:

What the teams are working on blog post

Spoiler: tl;dr (click to show/hide)

Thrones of Britannia
-will get a "political difficulty" slider
-estates 3.0

3 Kingdoms:
-there is a prestige score affecting "faction rank", literally Imperium
-there will come a point where the titular 3 kingdoms will form from the strongest warlords

3 Kingdoms DLC:
-it exists

Arena:
-is dead

Warhammer 2:
-bugfix will come as a beta instead of an update (groan)

Launcher:
-there will be a new one

Warhammer 3:
-nothing of note

Rome 2:
-another patch will come eventually

Other:
-next year will see a new Saga being announced

[Mech#4]

The beta patch, called "The Festag Update Beta", has been posted and is available to opt in if you wish.
Link to the blog page listing all the changes.

A major thing of note is the patch also includes updates to all the legendary lords and lords from the Old World races. Here's an infographic listing the changes.

Spoiler:  List of changes (click to show/hide)

Campaign Changes and Fixes

    Fixed a crash that could occur when a Vampire Coast faction owning Pirate Coves was destroyed.
    Fixed a rare end turn crash.
    Fixed a crash that could occur when Beastmen Brayherds changed stances.
    Fixed a crash that occurred when a building was changed while a settlement panel was open.
    Fixed a crash that occurs when loading back into the campaign map from Tyrion’s Sunfang quest battle.
    Fixed a crash that could occur when triggering the Chaos challenger spawn when playing as Norsca.
    Fixed a crash in multiplayer campaign that occurred when one player unlocked a Vampire bloodline when the other player was playing as a non-Vampire Count race.
    Luthor Harkon no longer has +2 to pirate crew recruitment.
    Count Noctilus’ Lord of Dread trait is now applied to Rotting Promethean Gunnery Mobs.
    Count Noctilus’ -1 turn for Necrofex Colossus recruitment now applies when recruiting  via Noctilus’s ship and global recruitment.
    Khazrak’s +3 recruit rank for Bestigors now correctly applies factionwide.
    Malagor’s diplomacy bonus with other Beastmen is now +30.
    Morghur’s -60% upkeep for Chaos Spawn now correctly applies.
    Morghur’s Shadowgave trait now gives +8 melee defence rather than melee attack.
    Orion’s 20% upkeep for cavalry now correctly applies.
    Fixed the following factionwide effects not applying to Ship armies:
        Harkon’s Man-o-War skill: +1 recruitment rank for Vampire Fleet Captains
        Noctilus’ Master of the Dreadfleet skill: +2 Lord recruit rank
        Cylostra’s Conjuration Through Hate skill: +2 recruitment rank for Mourngul Haunters
        Pirates’ Rest building effect: +1 Lord recruit rank
        Fleet Enforcement Admiral Office position: +3 recruit rank for Heroes and Lords
    Exhaustion now correctly applies when establishing a pirate cove with a hero.
    Fixed agent success chance becoming 100% when the actual chance fell below 0%.
    Vampire Coast lord skills that require unit rank 7 now apply their effects correctly.
    Vampire Coast army skills should now apply correctly to Regiments of Renown.
    Gunnery Wight’s Gunsight skill now increases missile damage rather than weapon strength.
    The Converted, Centuries and Command technologies for Vampire Counts now correctly apply their bonuses when recruiting via the Legendary Lord’s ships.
    The Converted technology now provides +5 tank for heroes recruited via a Legendary Lord’s ship.
    The following Greenskin technologies now also apply to Savage Orcs: Betta Arrer ‘Eads, Beasts of Burden, Black Orc Bellow, Betta Bowstrings, Massive Choppas.
    Vampire Fleet Captain skill Kidnapping Assault Garrison action changed to Assault Units.
    Vampire Fleet Captains now have The Hunger ability.
    Bone Giants now gain buffs from Arrows of Asaph skill.
    Blood Dragon skill Ordo Draconis now correctly reduces Blood Knight recruitment time.
    Removed hidden duplicate skills for Von Carstein Bloodline Lords.
    Vampire Counts tech Serve in Life or in Death now correctly gives +15% income from Repression buildings.
    Lokhir Felheart will now be immortal if confederated.
    Wurrzag no longer has +30% upkeep for Savage Orcs after confederating with him.
    Black Arks will no longer lose their buildings upon defeat in battle.
    Sisters of Slaughter can now be recruited from Black Arks.
    Capturing or sacking a region with the Third Book of Nagash will no longer spawn a sea storm in the region. A sandstorm should spawn as expected.
    Norscan technologies Blockading the Vampire Coast and Secrets of the Deep now use the correct icons.
    Fixed a Bloodkisses exploit that allowed rapid generation.
    Added Non-vampiric attrition immunity to Sylvanian Crossbowmen and Handgunner units.
    The following Beastmen factions (and their associated Brayherds) now have Chaos Wastes attrition immunity: Blooded Axe, Manblight, Ripper Horn, Shadowgor, Skrinderkin, and Stone horn.
    Fixed attrition immunity for certain attrition types when in stances.
    Reduced the public order penalty when capturing a settlement on easy difficulty.
    Fixed certain High Elf Mage Hero mounts not equipping in campaign.
    Prophetess now correctly gains her Royal Pegasus mount.
    Damsel Barded Warhorse skill has been removed.
    Removed links between any mount skills that had them.
    Fixed various instances where sea encounters could spawn on land or could not be attacked.
    Fixed an issue where treasure maps could point off the map.
    Fixed an issue with one of the treasure hunting puzzles having two solutions.
    Puzzles will now display correctly when playing in colour blind modes.
    Adjusted the Skaven and Dark Elf loyalty dilemmas to trigger less frequently.
    An event message is now received stating that the treasure hunt failed when lords and heroes are unsuccessful with their attempts to dig for treasure.
    The Amanar Rises event message shown after completing the campaign will now have the appropriate text displayed within the event message.
    Fixed a rare instance where event names could be renamed when changing resolution.
    Sartosa and The Awakening can no longer be upgraded to tier 5 when occupied by Wood Elves.
    Fixed an issue where the Vampire Fleet Captains provided in level 3 garrisons would not have their spells.
    All factions now have a garrison in Galleons Graveyard.
    Athel Loren now has a garrison when owned by Dark Elves or Tomb Kings.
    Skavenblight and Hellpit now have garrisons when owned by Bretonnia.
    Bloated Corpses should no longer grant kills without dying in the autoresolver.
    Fixed an issue whereby armies that spawned would sometimes not interact correctly with loyalty, certain effects and offices correctly.
    Beastmen and Chaos should no longer be able to occupy Albion.
    Galleon’s Graveyard can no longer be flooded or raided by Beastmen.
    Vampire Coast ships in encampment stance on sea will no longer show models that should be limited to encampment stance on land.
    Skin Wolf Werekin and Shaman Sorcerers will no longer show as Exalted Hero and Chaos Sorcerers in the Recruit Hero screen.
    The Red Duke now displays animations correctly on the campaign map.
    Cylostra Direfin’s porthole should now display correctly on all graphics settings.
    The objective arrow will no longer show as a yellow square when the diplomacy screen is open.
    Pirate’s Rest now correctly shows +1 Capacity for Gunnery Wights on the building information panel.
    The price of pirate cove buildings now displays correctly.
    Kemmler’s -50% upkeep for Necromancer heroes now works correctly.
    The Lahmian Bloodline -50% upkeep effect now correctly shows on the amount shown on the hero’s information panel.
    Various text and typo issued fixed.
    Music on campaign will trigger more responsively to campaign actions.

Battle Changes and Fixes

    Fixed a crash that could occur when a player tries to connect as a spectator to an ongoing battle and then trying to host a battle afterwards.
    Added Battle of the Eternal Tides map to Custom Battle.
    Cylostra Direfin’s Slaughterer of the Deep ability now works correctly.
    Female Vampire Fleet Admirals now have Skirmish.
    Female Dreadlord animations should now play correctly in the Mengil’s Manflayers rogue army.
    Fixed a large number of cases where deployment zones were the wrong way around.
    The buildings outside of the playable area in The Awakening siege map will no longer float.

Miscellaneous Changes and Fixes

    Improved total memory allocation use when using DX12.
    Various localisation issues fixed.
    Capitalised the “I” in “Infamy” in the Race Attributes section for all Vampire Coast factions on the Lord selection screen, making them literally playable again.
    Added port icons next to mentions of port in the help text.
    The help text regarding how Lokhir Fellheart acquires Black Arks has been updated for clarity.

Unit Balancing
Bretonnia

    Green Knight: Hit reactions ignore chance from 0 to 50, knock interrupts from 0 to 50, +20 ap melee damage, +10 base melee damage.
    Pegasus Knights: increased mass from 700 to 1000.
    Knights Errant: +4 charge bonus
    Defenders of Fleur-de-Lis: +4 charge bonus
    Grail Relique:  Icon of Devotion-ability’s effect range changed from 40 to 55 meters.

Dark Elves

    Kharibdyss: is now aquatic.

Dwarfs

    Thane: now has access to Master Rune of Slowness in multiplayer.
    Master Engineer: no longer has access to Master Rune of Slowness in multiplayer.

Empire

    Mortar: -50 cost
    Flagellants: increased Strength of the Penitent-ability’s physical resistance effect from +12% to +15%.

Greenskins

    Krimson Killerz: +20 men on Ultra, +150 cost, -5 armour, -1 health per entity, -1 charge bonus, -2 ap melee damage, +0.6 melee attack interval, tweaks to splash attack characteristics.
    Azhag: can now equip the Spider Banner in multiplayer.

High Elves

    Alastair the White Lion – Dragon mounts: added Siege Attacker.

Lizardmen

    Bastiladon (Solar Engine): slightly improved accuracy of projectile.

Norsca

    Marauder Ice Wolf Chariots: can now run at 95 speed.
    Marauder Champions: +4 health per entity
    Marauder Champions (Great Weapons): +4 health per entity, +2 run speed.
    Kihar the Tormentor: added siege attacker
    Fimir (both): added siege attacker
    Fimir Balefiend (both): added siege attacker

Skaven

    Plague Monk Censer Bearers: +1 melee attack

Tomb Kings

    Tomb Scorpion: Hit reactions ignore chance from 0 to 40, knock interrupts from 0 to 40, mass from 3000 to 2400, -2 melee defence, added Siege Attacker.

Vampire Coast

    Deck Droppers (all): -10 flying speed, reduced turn speed.
    Deck Droppers (Handguns): -2 ammo, slightly reduced accuracy, -2 ap projectile damage, -1 base projectile damage.
    Deck Droppers (Bombers) & Salt Lord’s Scuttlers: +2 ammo
    Zombie Gunnery Mob (Bombers): +5 charge bonus, +2 ammo, +4 melee attack, +40 number of men (on ultra).
    Zombie Gunnery Mob (Handcannons): +50 cost, +40 number of men (on ultra), -8 base projectile damage, +8 ap projectile damage.
    Animated Hulks: +25 armour, +4 melee defence, +10 leadership
    Gallows Giant: projectiles no longer expire before reaching max range.
    Shadewraith Gunners: -100 cost
    Death Shriek Terrorgheist: +0.5 entity height, entity is now 57% wider, so a bigger target and harder to pull out from melee.
    Luthor Harkon – Death Shriek Terrorgheist: now uses the same entity size as the regular Death Shriek Terrorgheist (previously used a dragon-sized entity).
    Luthor Harkon: removed All Hands Hoay!-ability In multiplayer battles.
    Aranessa: removed Hornswaggle-ability in multiplayer battles.
    Vampire Fleet Admirals (all): removed Hornswaggle-ability in multiplayer battles.
    Cylostra Direfin – Rotting Leviathan: Added Siege Attacker.

Vampire Counts

    Terrorgheist: +0.5 entity height, entity is now 57% wider, so a bigger target and harder to pull out from melee.
    Blood Dragon Vampire Lord (all): removed Undeath Resurgent-ability in multiplayer battles.
    Blood Dragon Vampire Lord – foot: -5 armour, +100 cost
    Blood Dragon Vampire Lord – Barded Nightmare: -10 armour, +100 cost.
    Blood Dragon Vampire Lord – Hellsteed: -5 armour, +100 cost
    Blood Dragon Vampire Lord – Zombie Dragon: -8 melee defence, +100 cost
    Red Duke – foot: +100 cost, added Frenzy-ability.
    Red Duke – Barded Nightmare: +100 cost, added Frenzy-ability.
    Red Duke – Hellsteed: +10 armour, +100 cost, added Frenzy-ability.
    Red Duke – Zombie Dragon: -4 melee defence, +100 cost, added Frenzy-ability.
    Vampire (Shadows) – Hellsteed: +10 armour
    Vampire (Vampires) – +10 armour
    Lahmian Vampire Lord – Hellsteed: +10 armour
    Lahmian Vampire Lord – Zombie Dragon: added siege attacker.
    Necrarch Vampire Lord – Zombie Dragon: added siege attacker.
    Von Carstein Vampire Lord – Zombie Dragon: added siege attacker.
    Wight King – Skeletal Steed: +10 armour
    Isabella von Carstein – Hellsteed: +10 armour
    Mannfred von Carstein – Hellsteed: +10 armour

Wood Elves

    Treeman: Hit reactions ignore chance from 0 to 70, knock interrupts from 0 to 70.
    Orion: +10 melee defence
    Wildwood Rangers: +4 leadership
    Wardens of Cythral: +4 leadership

Abilities

General

    Helm of Discord: -10m effect range.

Dwarfs

    Red Ruin (Ungrim): changed to unlimited uses, duration from 50 to 35 seconds, +9 cost in multiplayer, added recharge in melee condition.
    Axe of Dargo (Ungrim): -16 ability duration, -90 ability recharge, added recharge in melee condition.
    Master Rune of Slowness: changed to -18% movement speed, removed charge bonus effect.

Greenskins

    Spider Banner: increased tier to uncommon, +82 cost, added 30m effect range.
    Get on Wiv’ It (Azhag): removed charge bonus effect, added +8 leadership effect instead.
    Gitsnik (Grimgor): -18 ability duration, -90 ability recharge, added recharge in melee condition.

Wood Elves

    Horn of the Wild Hunt (Orion): +3 duration, removed speed effect, +36% charge bonus changed to +54% charge bonus.

Spells

    Denizens of the Deep: +4 seconds recharge time.
    Drowned Dead: +1 power cost.
    Drowned Dead Upgraded: +1 power cost
    Invocation of Nehek: -1 seconds duration.
    Invocation of Nehek Upgraded: -1 seconds duration.

Some things of note is a fix for heroes getting 100% chance to succeed due to exhaustion wrapping past 0% back to 100%, Tomb Scorpions and Treemen don't ignore hitbacks and knock interrupts, and a fix for the crash when you destroy a Vampire Coast faction that has existing Pirate Coves.

[sambojin]

And no Hornswaggle for vpirates in MP battles! Once again the WAAAAGH! will happen on schedule (where sometimes you would just kiss your army defining ability goodbye vs vpirates). Although, for some reason, O&G got some minor nerfs and even "sort of" micro buffs, although highly specific ones for certain units/heroes that will effect nothing much at all. But savages now get tech in campaigns! That Wurzag run is looking pretty good now.

[Tack]

There was a cheat for stacking blood kisses you say?

[umiman]

Having a really, really fun game as Teclis right now. I forgot how much better the New World races and Vortex map actually is compared to the old ones. There's so much more stuff to do and everything is so fleshed out. Like just all the voicework from agents and your characters and your cities.

Anyway, Jesus Teclis is hard. I had to restart about 4 times on my legendary run just to survive the first 10 turns. Then it's been a neverending struggle against everything. Between Itza, the Krakenlord, all the Skaven hordes here, and fucking Cylostra Direfin who is somehow allied with Mazdamundi... it's crazy hard. My only allies in the region are Khalida who is useless and has been skirmishing with my only other ally in the vicinity in the dwarfs, who are also useless.

I decided early on that to make it more fun, I'd do the Rituals instead of gaming the system and ignoring them till the end.

Goddamn, that's hard as balls as Teclis in Lustria. I'm being attacked by everything, there's no money here, and the provinces are so big and hard to defend. It's not like the ritual or intervention armies are really cheating and spawning inside my lands like in the past either. They're just marching through normally from outside my territory (I don't really have much territory to be honest) and obliterating everything in the way.

I'm on the third ritual now and I have some serious doubts whether I will survive this. My capital is being besieged by one Norscan stack, one Pestilens intervention stack, and one Naggarond intervention stack (I might have level three walls on there but I seriously doubt I will survive that). I have three Chaos + Skaven fullstacks banging on my door, being barely dealt with by my armies. And now Lord Skrolk himself is walking up with a few more fullstacks invading from all sides.

Goddamn, it's exhilarating. I also finally have something of an actual ally too. A greenskin rogue army took over some of Khalida's lands and is actually helping me against Pestilens and the Krakenlord. A greenskin. Of all things.

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I have two choices in my strategy against the huge invasion against my capital. What do you guys think of these:

1. I use the supercannons on the level 3 walls to their full advantage. I sally forth most of my melee troops outside the walls to hold and delay the enemy so the archers and towers can kill as much as they can. Then once my troops die or fall back, rely on the Lothern Sea Guard to hold the walls until the time runs out (20 minutes).

or

2. I fight a delaying action for 20 minutes. I buy as much time as possible by stalling the enemy everywhere will small pockets of troops and hopefully last 20 minutes.

I'm leaning towards 1. But if my troops get wiped out too fast it'd be a complete waste of time. They're fighting essentially 4 to 5 times their number so they can very easily be overrun. Option 2 has a better chance of them lasting longer, but will they last 20 minutes is the question. And even if they survive the enemy will just attack again the next round unless I find a way to kill all the siege units (of which there are A LOT).

What would you choose?

[Hanslanda]

Sally forth, bring the war to them. Selectively. A few troops outside the walls, forcing engagement.

[umiman]

Sally forth, bring the war to them. Selectively. A few troops outside the walls, forcing engagement.

I lost my capital lol.

I did try sallying forth but sadly a noble and a few white lions don't last very long against 3 doomwheels and 2 warp lightning cannons among other things.

Then those purple globadiers obliterated my archers on the walls. Jesus those things kill fast.

[Tack]

So yeah I've been trying the Vamp Counts post-rework and they are Awesome. Every bloodline is distinct both visually and in stats (except maybe strigoi?). Necrarch vampires carry staves and have terrible melee stats, whilst Lahmians are female and duellists with a mixed vampires/shadow magic tree. Plus they get their own unique yellow tree. Necrarches can end up having either 3 cost Invohek or 6 cost Invohek upgraded, which is obscene.

So far I'm having some massive fun with it. Haven't yet found out what the descendants of Arborash or Vlad look like but yeah. Big fan.

[Il Palazzo]

Anyone has any good idea how to deal with massed mammoths? Norsca is sending armies with ~15 pachyderms. I'm playing chaos, and had an army 2/3rds chosen, some with shields, some with great axes, some with halberds, in a forest. They were all roflstomped equally easily, regardless of what weapon they were wielding. The first five elephants reduced their numbers by half by themselves.

Right now I'm relying on autoresolve, which favours chosen a bit too much.

[Mech#4]

Anyone has any good idea how to deal with massed mammoths? Norsca is sending armies with ~15 pachyderms. I'm playing chaos, and had an army 2/3rds chosen, some with shields, some with great axes, some with halberds, in a forest. They were all roflstomped equally easily, regardless of what weapon they were wielding. The first five elephants reduced their numbers by half by themselves.

Right now I'm relying on autoresolve, which favours chosen a bit too much.

I think I usually shoot them, so maybe Marauder Horsemen? Dragon Ogres also have anti-large so they might help. I'd probably try and lower their leadership through Doom and Darkness as well. Maybe Aspect of the Dreadknight to counter the terror the mammoths cause. A spell to lower their armour would help with the shooting tactic.

Though, othertimes, I've focused more on dealing with the rest of the enemy army than the mammoths themselves. If they've got 5 mammoths, that's 5 less units of other things like infantry which means it's easier to bring their army model numbers down and make them flee due to casaulties.

[Il Palazzo]

Yeah, they had 15 mammoths. The 5 I mentioned wrecking my ranks was just the first wave that got to me while the marauder horsemen (the remaining 1/3rd of my army) tried shooting the rest. I even had one terror-inducing unit, so most of those suggestions were actually employed in that battle. I managed to kill one and rout a few, but it was not even close to an even match.

I'm just surprised how shitty the chosen proved to be. Their performance wasn't much different than what I remember skeleton spearmen could do.

[Burnt Pies]

Shaggoths are probably your best bet. Decent antilarge on them, I think they're somewhat designed to be the monster counter for Chaos. Marauder horse don't have the dps to get through all that HP, unlikely to do much.

[Hanslanda]

Shaggoths are almost always a good choice.