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I am religious and believe in free will

70 (27.6%)

I am religious and do not believe in free will

10 (3.9%)

I am not religious and believe in free will

113 (44.5%)

I am not religious and do not believe in free will

61 (24%)

Total Members Voted: 249

[Rolepgeek]

And of course, there's the idea that a supernatural entity that powerful seriously just would not see us as having very much moral worth. After all, how much moral worth do you ascribe to an ant? Or a bacteria? I'm not just talking about YHWH, here, people. I think it'd be interesting if we talked about other gods/spiritual systems as well.

Like Zeus.

The Greek/Roman gods weren't ominipotent in the way that we think of YHWH or whatever equivalent supreme being. Sure they had some degree of omni-whatever, but they weren't infinitely powerful or infinite-everything.

Ah, my subject switching was a bit poor. I didn't mean in the omni-[fill in here] sense, I meant in the 'What would you do if there was an overwhelming amount of evidence for them' way. Which may mean Zeus shows up in New York City, lightnings a skyscraper in the middle of the day, and gets shot in the face without being hurt, but still. Or the more contemporary spiritual systems.

[Egan_BW]

If we're talking Zeus or something, that just makes the critter(s) easier to kill.

[smjjames]

Not really, you just need weapons as powerful as the gods themselves, or the same kind weilded by the gods, or even made by one (Hephaestus for example) and imbued with their power or something.

Heck, the Titans, deities just as powerful or more powerful than the origional Greek gods, were defeated by the origional greek gods. Though I'm not sure how many were killed vs simply defeated or otherwise imprisioned.

[Rolepgeek]

If they were defeated, they can hardly be said to be more powerful.

Many different kinds of power, after all.

Although I don't know why we're killing them, other than 'you're a dick', which isn't an executable offense as far as I know. In the case of YHWH, doing so might literally destroy the universe, if you go by certain philosophies.

[Egan_BW]

More like "oh shit godlike entities exist we have to kill them before they kill us."

[smjjames]

If they were defeated, they can hardly be said to be more powerful.

Many different kinds of power, after all.

Teamwork? Those that were defeated could be more powerful in some ways, but not others. The greek gods also had some Titans on their side.

[Amperzand]

More like "oh shit godlike entities exist we have to kill them before they kill us."

Honestly, to look at it from that perspective, the solution is to set up MAD with said entities. :V Not a good solution, but it worked for fifty years until one side broke down and let it fade.

[Rolepgeek]

More like "oh shit godlike entities exist we have to kill them before they kill us."

On the other hand, if we aren't capable of killing them, we're dead. In all likelihood, the casualties even if we won would be ridiculous. Not even bothering to negotiate with something which can most likely utterly destroy you, but hasn't done so yet, for one reason or another?

[smjjames]

Meh, Ares and Zeus would just go 'F your nukes!'. With Venus, Demeter, and Gaia pleading to stop fighting because  war is awful (though Venus did have her part in starting one), the nukes are wrecking the earth,  and ... dunno what Demeter would say.

I'm not aware of anything in Greek Mythology though that would be comparable to a Greek god or Titan being at ground 0 of a nuclear blast.

[Amperzand]

There's the whole thing with Indian mythology, though.

Their gods literally had ICBMs.

Look it up.

[smjjames]

Yeah, their Celestial Weapons even: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_mythological_wars#Celestial_Weapons There are some that go beyond nuclear level to absolutely world destroying.

Parvatastra: one of the most dangerous weapon,once it used mountains from sky fall in to the earth.  Asteroids anybody?

[Kot]

They were more like absurdly powerful people, with most of the same flaws and an occasional tendency to fuck geese.

TBH, when you think of that one time when God killed ten people due to some stupid bet with Satan... or when he flooded the whole world because people weren't nice... or when he killed a guy just because he tried to help and not let the Ark hit the ground... or numerous other Old Testament happenings, it seems that God isin't really that different from very jealous power-hungry murderous asshole of Olimp, maybe except he doesn't really come to surface to fuck geese or women, though in the latter case WHO KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED WITH MARY.

[origamiscienceguy]

What do geese have to do with anything?

[Kot]

What do geese have to do with anything?

IIRC, there was this godness Nemesis who turned into a goose to avoid Zeus but instead Zeus fucked the goose because... well, he's Zeus.

[TD1]

Loki was...possibly...worse. Others say "sleep with some whores," Loki sleeps with a horse.