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I am religious and believe in free will
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I am religious and do not believe in free will
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I am not religious and believe in free will
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Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Yet Another Thread
« Reply #1035 on: February 20, 2015, 11:03:49 pm »

"Bark, bark, that wolf, have you any flax?
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Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Yet Another Thread
« Reply #1036 on: February 21, 2015, 02:45:14 am »

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Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Yet Another Thread
« Reply #1037 on: February 21, 2015, 03:52:00 am »

Wolf speaks in parables. He who has ears to hear, let him hear.
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Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Yet Another Thread
« Reply #1038 on: February 21, 2015, 04:03:31 am »

That's an interesting theory Vilanat, I'd be interested to know more if you see it again.  I wonder if it can be observed in those isolated human populations which haven't developed much...  Maybe that's even where the research came from?

So, i tried to find the exact book/paper/article but still no luck. i will keep searching for it though.

I did find several similar theories:
Basically, this theory speaks about the Inner voice that was perceived not as our own but as God's command.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicameralism_(psychology)

Here's a summary and criticism of the theory
http://www.functionalneurology.com/materiale_cic/224_XXII_1/2108_the%20bicamiral/index.html

This theory suggests that before the times of the egyptians/abraham humans didn't "see" the rules behind objects or phenomenons and attributed personality to them:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mythopoeic_thought

Wolf speaks in parables. He who has ears to hear, let him hear.

Wolf's parables and posts are actually pretty straight forward to me, maybe because they are heavily based on "Agnostic" Eastern thinking.
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Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Yet Another Thread
« Reply #1039 on: February 21, 2015, 04:33:49 am »

Wolves dont bark, trees do

I was wondering if any one here thinks the Voynich manuscript has any religious or spiritual significance?
Or just the writings of an insane artist? Im sure many of you know about it but for who dont.
Its pretty interesting, currently untranslatable and filled with pictures of herbs most of which arent identified, astological  charts, drawings of naked people, zodiac depictions, many characters some only used a rare few times. Like I said interesting and could be one of the better hoaxes around..
Carbon dating says its 600-700 years old.
It looks like a book youd find in a wizard possesion.
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Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Yet Another Thread
« Reply #1040 on: February 21, 2015, 11:00:05 am »

What would we ask about?

You could ask us about our morality, about our philosophy, about what we think it means to be an atheist. You could ask us how important atheism is to our belief systems - is it a founding pillar o a minor detail? If all else fails, you could try and convert us, though that might get a bit heavy fr some peoples taste.

I don't ask people about atheism because I can just imagine myself as a non-Christian. There's no complicated holy text to fail to understand or anything. If atheists had to comply with The God Delusion or somesuch, there'd be a lot more questions.

I think atheism by its very definition isn't something that needs much questioning to understand.
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Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Yet Another Thread
« Reply #1041 on: February 21, 2015, 11:10:07 am »

I don't ask people about atheism because I can just imagine myself as a non-Christian. There's no complicated holy text to fail to understand or anything. If atheists had to comply with The God Delusion or somesuch, there'd be a lot more questions.
You'd be surprised how many people seem to believe that is in fact the case.
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Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Yet Another Thread
« Reply #1042 on: February 21, 2015, 11:43:24 am »

That's an interesting theory Vilanat, I'd be interested to know more if you see it again.  I wonder if it can be observed in those isolated human populations which haven't developed much...  Maybe that's even where the research came from?

So, i tried to find the exact book/paper/article but still no luck. i will keep searching for it though.

I did find several similar theories:
Basically, this theory speaks about the Inner voice that was perceived not as our own but as God's command.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicameralism_(psychology)


Bincameralism always struck me as unparsimonious.


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It posits everyone being a heretofore unknown kind of crazy to explain phenomena that could be adequetely explained by a few people being well attested kinds of crazy
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Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Yet Another Thread
« Reply #1043 on: February 21, 2015, 12:06:48 pm »

I don't ask people about atheism because I can just imagine myself as a non-Christian. There's no complicated holy text to fail to understand or anything. If atheists had to comply with The God Delusion or somesuch, there'd be a lot more questions.

I think atheism by its very definition isn't something that needs much questioning to understand.
I remember getting a question about that some time ago by a pretty christian guy once. He wanted to know what it was I personally believed would happen after I died. I guess more useful questions can be directed at people who identify as secular humanists, spirituals without gods, or Satanic Church Satanists (Not to be confused with Le-vayan[sp?] Church of Satan).
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Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Yet Another Thread
« Reply #1044 on: February 21, 2015, 01:27:54 pm »

He wanted to know what it was I personally believed would happen after I died.
Personally IMO when you're dead that's it. No afterlife for me! :P
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Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Yet Another Thread
« Reply #1046 on: February 21, 2015, 04:12:27 pm »

Where were you before you were born? Probably in the same state as when you die. Or, more to the point, lack of state.
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Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Yet Another Thread
« Reply #1047 on: February 21, 2015, 06:18:30 pm »

Where were you before you were born? Probably in the same state as when you die. Or, more to the point, lack of state.
In a womb....
You mean before conception right?
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Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Yet Another Thread
« Reply #1048 on: February 21, 2015, 06:35:52 pm »

I think it's fairly obvious what I meant.
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Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Yet Another Thread
« Reply #1049 on: February 21, 2015, 07:11:50 pm »

What would we ask about?

You could ask us about our morality, about our philosophy, about what we think it means to be an atheist. You could ask us how important atheism is to our belief systems - is it a founding pillar o a minor detail? If all else fails, you could try and convert us, though that might get a bit heavy fr some peoples taste.
I don't ask people about atheism because I can just imagine myself as a non-Christian. There's no complicated holy text to fail to understand or anything. If atheists had to comply with The God Delusion or somesuch, there'd be a lot more questions.

I think atheism by its very definition isn't something that needs much questioning to understand.
If atheism is defined simply as the lack of religious belief, you might as well be questioning a beardless woman about the beard she does not have: ("You seem to be completely beardless, madam; can you tell us a bit about your lovely beard?") The source of confusion is the fact that atheism is frequently presented, by proponents and opponents alike, as somehow comparable to a religion -- a distinct "belief system" with positive content. This would only make sense if scientific and common-sense beliefs were mutually exclusive with religious beliefs, and clearly, they are not.

Wolves dont bark, trees do

I was wondering if any one here thinks the Voynich manuscript has any religious or spiritual significance?
Or just the writings of an insane artist? Im sure many of you know about it but for who dont.
Its pretty interesting, currently untranslatable and filled with pictures of herbs most of which arent identified, astological  charts, drawings of naked people, zodiac depictions, many characters some only used a rare few times. Like I said interesting and could be one of the better hoaxes around..
Carbon dating says its 600-700 years old.
It looks like a book youd find in a wizard possesion.
The Voynich manuscript is the earliest pre-alpha version of Dwarf Fortress. The resemblance is uncanny.

 
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