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What's your opinion on free will?

I am religious and believe in free will
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Author Topic: Railgun and Spirituality Discussion  (Read 562671 times)

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Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Everyone's a Coptic in Their Own Way
« Reply #4815 on: January 19, 2016, 12:10:29 pm »

Neither was man created for woman, but woman for man.

The LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him."

So yeah.

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Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Everyone's a Coptic in Their Own Way
« Reply #4816 on: January 19, 2016, 12:11:08 pm »

Neither was man created for woman, but woman for man.

The LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him."

So yeah.

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helper, not a sex slave

so yeah.
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Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Everyone's a Coptic in Their Own Way
« Reply #4817 on: January 19, 2016, 12:12:13 pm »

I never said sex slave. I said subservient, by which I meant woman was made to serve man.

To be his helper and facilitator.
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Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Everyone's a Coptic in Their Own Way
« Reply #4818 on: January 19, 2016, 12:15:56 pm »

I never said sex slave. I said subservient, by which I meant woman was made to serve man.

To be his helper and facilitator.
Oh. sorry. Helper doesn't always man one is superior. A helper can be equal to the helpee.
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Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Everyone's a Coptic in Their Own Way
« Reply #4819 on: January 19, 2016, 12:17:58 pm »

Unless you are the Islamic scholar who pinned Muhammad death on a Jew, i have no quarrel with you.
I won't deny I am not within the realm of possibility to be as a fact an ancient Islamic scholar operating out of a time traveling kebab van going by the name of Dr. Hussein

Because that is what I am not

The only reason i extracted that part of your original post is because i heavily suspected that if there was a claim about Muhammad death not being natural, it would surely be pinned on a Jew, and hey, what a surprise, my suspicion was correct.
Shit wasn't natural, any less than you could say a death by neurotoxin is natural because suffocation is a natural process

As for the validity of the claim ("truth trumps", heh :D) , well, i guess for people who believe in flying horses and talking ants, believing Muhammad was poisoned to death by a Jew 3 years prior to his actual death using a poison not known to science even after 1500 years is not that unreasonable.
He ate from the same poison that killed his companion who ate it at higher doses. His friend ate more of the poisoned lamb - he dies almost immediately. Muhammed ate less of the lamb, the symptoms afflict him until and leading to premature death. This is hardly rocket science.
"Using a poison not known to science" - """Science""" does not know what poison killed Umar, Ali, Artaxerxes III and IV, Hui, Muhammed and so on, we do not know what poisons the likes of Locusta used even in spite of 2000 years of science and an interest in some of the most powerful people to have ever walked the Earth. Off the top of my head the only famous poison deaths of the ancient world we know about are Socrates and Cleopatra, who both committed suicide and had no need to disguise the poison from themselves. This is not exactly a statement of validity, especially considering the most effective poison is one undetectable and one easily available.
The alternative narrative is believing in the word of an anonymous wikipedia editor sourcing their information from an interpretation of the Quran dating from the late 19th century in Germany from a failed prospective Rabbi, ignoring all of the Hadiths from historiographers or the accounts from the Companions of Muhammed. Why lol?

I'll have to call Dr. Hussein to figure out how the ancient scholars had the ability to predict the modern geopolitics and identity politics of the modern world 1,300 years in advance

Why do you keep typing like that? Is that some new cultural reference I've missed or are you having a stroke?
W E   A R E   B U I L D I N G   A   R E L I G I O N
W E   A R E   B U I L D I N G   A   B R A N D
W E   A R E   T H E   O N L Y   O N E S   T O   T U R N   T O
W H E N   Y O U R   C A S T L E S   T U R N   T O   S A N D

helper, not a sex slave

so yeah.
Mother of God

Also notable is that all of J's m8s left him cos they didn't want to get Roman'd whilst his female converts stayed at the foot of the Rood during the Passion

And if we're getting all semantic, helper does not indicate any power or lack thereof, a supplicant to a helper has the helper in a position of power, a doctor is holding all the info and skill, or on the other end a general assistant to a specialist has a command chain e.t.c.

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Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Everyone's a Coptic in Their Own Way
« Reply #4820 on: January 19, 2016, 12:40:17 pm »

I don't recall you being this incomprehensible
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Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Everyone's a Coptic in Their Own Way
« Reply #4821 on: January 19, 2016, 04:30:28 pm »

Good Golly Bohandas. It's just the UK version of AOL speak.

"J's m8s" == Jesus's Mates (aka, his friends, the apostles.)

etc

If that is incomprehensible, stay away from leet speakers.
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Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Everyone's a Coptic in Their Own Way
« Reply #4822 on: January 19, 2016, 04:56:50 pm »

It's not just that, it's the general incomprehensibility and poor formatting of the response in general. With the sll caps and he triple quote marks and shit. It seems vaguely schizophrenic.
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Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Everyone's a Coptic in Their Own Way
« Reply #4823 on: January 19, 2016, 04:57:52 pm »

Git gud

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Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Everyone's a Coptic in Their Own Way
« Reply #4824 on: January 19, 2016, 06:27:44 pm »

It seems vaguely schizophrenic.
Yeah that's just what LW does. I don't really mind because he's still contributing to the discussion, even if it is disguised as a shitpost.

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Anyway, re: women as subservient etc.

In the Reformed church (which I believe to be the most solidly Bible-based - other churches will have different teachings but at the expense of Biblical accuracy) we do follow the men created first, women second stuff, but a few things should be emphasised.
First, men are not "superior" to women in any way. Different, yes, but that's basic biology and not really of much concern.
In a family, men are considered to be the "head of the household", but this is in the Roman style of things - the emphasis is on the man's responsibility to provide and care for his family. If the wife is also working this is kind of a moot point though, so vov.
The only actually sexist thing is inside the church itself. Women are barred from leadership positions - serving as minister, elder, or deacon. Mostly because there's a lot of epistles stating that this should be the case.
Outside of the church, men and women effectively equal (because the distinction is usually irrelevant) and treating women as second-class citizens because of it is in direct contradiction to the whole love and kindness shtick.
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Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Everyone's a Coptic in Their Own Way
« Reply #4825 on: January 19, 2016, 06:30:40 pm »

Figured this was the right place for it actually:
It's complicated
Why is it complicated? As far as I know married couples can do basically whatever sexually and it's okay.
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Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Everyone's a Coptic in Their Own Way
« Reply #4826 on: January 19, 2016, 07:10:37 pm »

On the face of it that's pretty incorrect, unless I'm mistaken. Sodomy is considered immoral regardless of the gender or relation of the persons involved.
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Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Everyone's a Coptic in Their Own Way
« Reply #4827 on: January 19, 2016, 07:23:56 pm »

Had a re-look, and it's one of those things that's in the Hadiths but not in the Quran itself. AKA you can kind of brush it off if you're so inclined.
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Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Everyone's a Coptic in Their Own Way
« Reply #4828 on: January 19, 2016, 07:26:46 pm »

Why is it complicated? As far as I know married couples can do basically whatever sexually and it's okay.
There are things explicitly forbidden, there are things very frowned upon and things that are forbidden that by extension make other things forbidden as well as things forbidden that are not given concrete definition

Anal sex = Haram
Oral sex (in any case where it results in the ingestion of bodily fluids of any kind) = Haram

Had a re-look, and it's one of those things that's in the Hadiths but not in the Quran itself. AKA you can kind of brush it off if you're so inclined.
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That's like saying Christians can brush off what Jesus says if they're so inclined

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Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Everyone's a Coptic in Their Own Way
« Reply #4829 on: January 19, 2016, 07:28:17 pm »

If you can use an excuse to justify not publicly executing people, you can use it to have special bum fun.
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