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What's your opinion on free will?

I am religious and believe in free will
- 60 (28%)
I am religious and do not believe in free will
- 8 (3.7%)
I am not religious and believe in free will
- 94 (43.9%)
I am not religious and do not believe in free will
- 52 (24.3%)

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Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Everyone's a Coptic in Their Own Way
« Reply #5310 on: February 28, 2016, 06:46:26 am »

If said God came with a promise of an after life, or some form of reward/punishment in return for worship, he would get a sizeable amount of takers. I mean, how many Christians would there be without heaven/hell?

I still wouldn't worship it though. I'd try to understand it, sure, but why would I want to do anything else? The only reason such a being would be followed would be because it has power. Personally, a Supreme Leader/Almighty isn't on my list of priorities - I wouldn't blindly follow Kim Jung Un either.
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Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Everyone's a Coptic in Their Own Way
« Reply #5311 on: February 28, 2016, 06:59:29 am »

I'd probably convert to whatever the relevant religion happened to be.

In the event that the existence of YHWH was proven to be false (I believe this to be impossible, mind you, so I can't really see it happening), I'd have to find some other way to achieve immortality.

I mean, yeah, to be clear, I don't necessarily think proving any of this stuff is remotely possible, but saying we somehow managed it.

Depends on which supernatural entity/what relevance said entity had. I'm less straight atheist and more mysotheistic agnostic.

Sounds a lot like me, yes.

I was basically just referring to any given supernatural entity powerful enough to be a genuine God, as opposed to, say, the wendigo, or Jesus and Buddha, both of whom totally existed, though I do contest their semi-divine nature.
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Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Everyone's a Coptic in Their Own Way
« Reply #5312 on: February 28, 2016, 03:37:35 pm »

Even ignoring all the shit in all the holy books (whichever God it turns out to be, most holy books write them out to be total assholes) the world as it is, from human nature being so... human, to the laws of physics allowing us to see all the wonder of the universe while still gluing us to this rock, to the various horrifying diseases and parasites in the world, to the fact that he didn't decide "Hey maybe I should tell EVERY group about me!" thus causing horrendous holy wars...

Even if god were real, he's too much of a c*** for me to even acknowledge her, let alone worship them.
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Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Everyone's a Coptic in Their Own Way
« Reply #5313 on: February 28, 2016, 05:28:34 pm »

If the existence of mr. YHWH was proven, I'd have to find a way to destroy it, because both possible afterlives would be incredibly infinitely worse than death.
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Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Everyone's a Coptic in Their Own Way
« Reply #5314 on: February 28, 2016, 06:01:21 pm »

If the existence of mr. YHWH was proven, I'd have to find a way to destroy it, because both possible afterlives would be incredibly infinitely worse than death.
I disagree vehemently.

Also, if his existence was proven, 'I must destroy God' is kindof a non-starter. And Amperzand never specified YHWH, nor did s/he say that they would be exactly how these random books say they are. Think a bit farther outside the box, guys. :P What if Shiva and Brahman turned out to be real, and Hinduism was right all along?
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Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Everyone's a Coptic in Their Own Way
« Reply #5315 on: February 28, 2016, 06:13:58 pm »

What if the dinner you ate yesterday was the physical manifestation of your Lord God?
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Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Everyone's a Coptic in Their Own Way
« Reply #5316 on: February 28, 2016, 06:17:21 pm »

What if the dinner you ate yesterday was the physical manifestation of your Lord God?
The Catholics were right all along
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Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Everyone's a Coptic in Their Own Way
« Reply #5317 on: February 28, 2016, 06:18:19 pm »

What if the dinner you ate yesterday was the physical manifestation of your Lord God?
The Catholics were right all along

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Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Everyone's a Coptic in Their Own Way
« Reply #5318 on: February 28, 2016, 06:20:52 pm »

If the existence of mr. YHWH was proven, I'd have to find a way to destroy it, because both possible afterlives would be incredibly infinitely worse than death.
I disagree vehemently.

Also, if his existence was proven, 'I must destroy God' is kindof a non-starter. And Amperzand never specified YHWH, nor did s/he say that they would be exactly how these random books say they are. Think a bit farther outside the box, guys. :P What if Shiva and Brahman turned out to be real, and Hinduism was right all along?

Indeed I did not. The question was intentionally generalized, and largely meant to refer simply to the existence of any supernatural higher power whatsoever. That could include, say, destiny, Karma, or God-Emperor Einstein. Anything and everything.

A separate, but also interesting discussion is the actual proof or antiproof for any specific religion's tenets or relevant entities.
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Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Everyone's a Coptic in Their Own Way
« Reply #5319 on: February 28, 2016, 06:30:23 pm »

Considering the existence of "natural" evil (babies dying to ilnesses, volcanoes killing people, stuff like that), and the fact that he is certainly capable of creating the perfect world (Heaven, not to mention that souls there supposedly retain the free will, so basically all the evil people do is his fault anyway, since he is capable of stopping it and he doesn't) the God is certainly not really that good as Church(es) want us to belive. So, all things considered, I would be more than happy to blast Gods face off with nukes, for being such a dick.

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Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Everyone's a Coptic in Their Own Way
« Reply #5320 on: February 28, 2016, 06:35:05 pm »

God-Emperor Einstein
Make it God-Emperor Galileo and you have a deal. Guy had some serious bants.

Relevant because lots of it was just antagonising the Catholic Church while being on cheeki terms with the pope so he didn't get his shit smashed in.
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Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Everyone's a Coptic in Their Own Way
« Reply #5321 on: February 28, 2016, 06:49:09 pm »

Yeah the Pope actually supported Galileo until Galileo started bantering him because he had some Spanish in him and had to do what was unexpected

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Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Everyone's a Coptic in Their Own Way
« Reply #5322 on: February 28, 2016, 08:25:21 pm »

Considering the existence of "natural" evil (babies dying to ilnesses, volcanoes killing people, stuff like that), and the fact that he is certainly capable of creating the perfect world (Heaven, not to mention that souls there supposedly retain the free will, so basically all the evil people do is his fault anyway, since he is capable of stopping it and he doesn't) the God is certainly not really that good as Church(es) want us to belive. So, all things considered, I would be more than happy to blast Gods face off with nukes, for being such a dick.

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Okay, I'd like to present you with a challenge. Think about what being God is like. Imagine that there is nothing except you and infinite power. Now, create something perfect. Do you think that's possible? Have you done better? I'm not claiming that God is perfect, far from it. I simply think we are in no position to judge a divine being with infinitely more knowledge and experience than each of us, and if he has made mistakes, then quite honestly, why can't we forgive Him? Maybe he has made mistakes, but so have we, and many of us can forgive each other. Think about it, if he made you, without him you'd never have existed. You'd never have enjoyed anything, never had a single thought or experience. Why curse His name?

Edit: Also this is all hypothetical. God may or may not exist and may or may not be male/female/not applicable.
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Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Everyone's a Coptic in Their Own Way
« Reply #5323 on: February 28, 2016, 08:51:48 pm »

Considering the existence of "natural" evil (babies dying to ilnesses, volcanoes killing people, stuff like that), and the fact that he is certainly capable of creating the perfect world (Heaven, not to mention that souls there supposedly retain the free will, so basically all the evil people do is his fault anyway, since he is capable of stopping it and he doesn't) the God is certainly not really that good as Church(es) want us to belive. So, all things considered, I would be more than happy to blast Gods face off with nukes, for being such a dick.

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Are you certain of that? I mean other than the whole, if you're certain he can create a perfect world, you should also be fairly certain he can smite you straight to eternal torture. Antagonising infinitely powerful entities is a bad idea, usually. Refusing to worship, sure, but actively annoying?

What's more, you're creating something of a conundrum here, without actually taking into consideration the metaphysical forces at play. If he doesn't give people free will, and they do evil, it's his fault since he predetermined what they would do. If he does give people free will, and they do evil, it's his fault because he let them. Bit of a 'damned if you do, damned if you don't', to pardon the pun. From what I know, Heaven/happy afterlife isn't perfect, it's just better. If you love something, let it go. If it comes back to you, it is yours.

Holy shit. That's a bit of a revelation/twist on it's head. Setting that temptation in the Garden of Eden was His 'letting us go'. The key to the cage and our own experiences. Our own lives, free will, knowledge. Yeah, He cast us out for it, but that's half the point. Otherwise we would've been stagnant, in the Garden forever. Now we can either stay away or return. Huh. Still don't believe it, but it casts it a bit better light when you think of it that way.
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Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Everyone's a Coptic in Their Own Way
« Reply #5324 on: February 28, 2016, 08:57:06 pm »

But muh predestination
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