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Author Topic: Kisat Dur: the Dwarven Martial Art  (Read 143012 times)

Urist McVoyager

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Re: Kisat Dur: the Dwarven Martial Art
« Reply #495 on: April 20, 2019, 06:08:02 pm »

Sadly the game doesn't simulate force to the extent you can throw weapons through people and into others. It wouldn't be something the smaller races could do, but you get something like a rhino or elephant person with a big enough spear to handle the force, you could see two or three people in a row go down.
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Re: Kisat Dur: the Dwarven Martial Art
« Reply #496 on: May 01, 2019, 07:42:20 pm »

Technique 5 Gakit Kun "Thief Cat"



Sometimes a foe is too large to simply disarm. In this case the Gakit Kun technique allows you to gain control of their weapon without the need to physically overpower them.



If the enemy fails to immediately sieze the weapon from you the Gakit Kun technique allows you to loosen their grip.
The images dont show up on the screen, could you describe the Thief cat technique in text please?
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Re: Kisat Dur: the Dwarven Martial Art
« Reply #497 on: May 01, 2019, 08:26:52 pm »

Sure. The practitioner is facing a human, who wields an iron short sword. The practitioner grabs hold of the sword, then claws at the human's hands with targeted scratch attacks, causing permanent nerve damage and forcing the unfortunate human to drop his weapon.

DF combat is brutal. When players start fooling around with the mechanics, DF combat becomes infinitely more brutal.
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Re: Kisat Dur: the Dwarven Martial Art
« Reply #498 on: May 02, 2019, 04:01:11 pm »

Sure. The practitioner is facing a human, who wields an iron short sword. The practitioner grabs hold of the sword, then claws at the human's hands with targeted scratch attacks, causing permanent nerve damage and forcing the unfortunate human to drop his weapon.

DF combat is brutal. When players start fooling around with the mechanics, DF combat becomes infinitely more brutal.
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« Reply #499 on: August 15, 2019, 04:25:56 am »

There are not many aspects of weapon combat that cannot be covered by simple application of Kisat Dur principles... but weapon lodging is a special case. I present here a two-fold technique relating to the unique physics of lodged weaponry.

Ar ggal: "Flesh Trap"

When a weapon binds in the flesh of its victim, the two combatants are locked in a grappling position until the weapon may be freed. This fact may be exploited in interesting ways.

Here the practitioner-- a lowly peasant of Competent skill-- has been struck by her skulduggerous foe.
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Fortunately, no real damage has been done by the silver lash
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and so, an opportunity is created!

By keeping the weapon tightly locked in the grip of her own flesh, the practitioner prevents her enemy from avoiding her blade. She strikes at the enemy's hand, thus forcing it to release its weapon, which remains caught in the flesh of the practitioner.
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Thus disarmed, the enemy may now be easily dispatched. The practitioner employs Ar ggal once again...
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...this time, taking advantage of her own lodged weapon to leap into the enemy in a manner familiar to practitioners of the Toradadom, or "Body Crush" techniques!*

As the Toradadom is here performed from a complete standstill, it is far less effective; the enemy's cloak deflects all injury in this example. Nevertheless, the enemy is thoroughly stunned, and may now be finished off
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at leisure.
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A potential defeat has become a resounding victory, through careful use of the enemy's own weapon. Such is the nature of Ar ggal.




* Note the shield-block before the jump, to ward off an incoming strike. The enemy had there some slim chance of landing a lucky hit before the practitioner made her leap; by first blocking the strike, the practitioner cuts off that chance neatly. When your skill in arms is meagre, every precaution must be taken when handling any foe!
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Re: Kisat Dur: the Dwarven Martial Art
« Reply #500 on: August 16, 2019, 02:45:12 pm »

I like it. Using the opponent's weapon against them is a lot of Kisat Dur moves, but this one's new.

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« Reply #501 on: August 22, 2019, 09:39:09 pm »

Yeah, this is great.  I've been in this situation a couple of times before, but it never occurred to me that when the opponent has lodged their weapon in you they can't: switch hands (so that they are holding their shield in that hand), parry, or dodge.  So if you aim at that appendage, their only hope is that their armour holds up.
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Re: Kisat Dur: the Dwarven Martial Art
« Reply #502 on: February 18, 2020, 08:55:12 pm »

This is all still fully practical in 47.xx, right?
Also, since Im going to necro, has anyone drawn up a list of the techniques and the situations in which to use them?
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Re: Kisat Dur: the Dwarven Martial Art
« Reply #503 on: February 18, 2020, 11:27:25 pm »

This is all still fully practical in 47.xx, right?

Absolutely. DF combat mechanics have remained unchanged since 40d; everything listed in this thread should work as well as it did when first posted. Kisat Dur remains a priceless boon in Adventure Mode-- especially for relatively unskilled adventurers!

Also, since Im going to necro, has anyone drawn up a list of the techniques and the situations in which to use them?

Not to my knowledge-- t'would be a worthy project indeed! The OP's been rather outdated for quite some time now.
...as a matter of fact, I might have to try and arrange something meself sometime. No promises.
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Re: Kisat Dur: the Dwarven Martial Art
« Reply #504 on: February 19, 2020, 08:55:57 am »

I would love to see this one day in pdf form (or better yet bound in leather :D)

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Re: Kisat Dur: the Dwarven Martial Art
« Reply #505 on: February 19, 2020, 01:33:08 pm »

I would love to see this one day in pdf form (or better yet bound in leather :D)

So it is written, and so it shall be done
http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=14832

This is just the original OP for now, with a bit of my own commentary thrown in; I'll have to go through and add new techniques from the rest of the thread at some point. Still, it's been PDF-ified! :)
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Re: Kisat Dur: the Dwarven Martial Art
« Reply #506 on: February 19, 2020, 03:43:04 pm »

I would love you almost as much as an elf loves their trees if you'd consider "translating" the flowery "in-character" language to plain english :D

Particularly the dwarven-themed technique names. Ick.

Here's an example:
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In Kisat Dur attack and defense are different perspectives on the same acts. The defensive mind looks inward and the offensive mind looks outward, when they are combined the practitioner is far more deadly. If the practitioner quickly places himself in a mental state for striking they may feel the instinct that one particular limb is easier to strike than another.

What does that actually mean?
« Last Edit: February 19, 2020, 03:58:13 pm by draeath »
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« Reply #507 on: February 19, 2020, 04:30:28 pm »

What does that actually mean?

That, to use Kisat Dur, you'll always need to use the advanced fighting menu. Not just bobbing into enemies by walking into them but by aimed attacks instead. Always. Otherwise all these fighting types won't occur. Nothing else is meant by this.
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Re: Kisat Dur: the Dwarven Martial Art
« Reply #508 on: February 19, 2020, 04:36:22 pm »

OK, that makes sense - but I don't see how you extracted that meaning from those words :D
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Re: Kisat Dur: the Dwarven Martial Art
« Reply #509 on: February 19, 2020, 04:51:50 pm »

I always use advanced fighting
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