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[pisskop]

People's complaints tend to also be about night vision being so op now.

The two-tile basic night vision was a godsend back in 0.C, this variable, monochromatic, mid-range NV is good.  It even lets you snipe with a gun with it.


3 tiles of wall-see is not a bunch.

I think 5 would be adequate, and a compromise.

[iceball3]

People's complaints tend to also be about night vision being so op now.

The two-tile basic night vision was a godsend back in 0.C, this variable, monochromatic, mid-range NV is good.  It even lets you snipe with a gun with it.


3 tiles of wall-see is not a bunch.

I think 5 would be adequate, and a compromise.

Cool thing about current night vision is that it's range is dependent on modified perception. So having low base perception, being in severe pain, or having heavy eye encumbrance can all set your vision range down to one tile.

[Random_Dragon]

3 tiles of wall-see is not a bunch.

I think 5 would be adequate, and a compromise.

Kevin put up a good suggestion, adding a higher-level clairvoyance effect. Since Noct isn't the code monkey here, and of those of us over on Utterly Mad I'm the most competent (translation: least INcompetent) with the source...

...godhelpusall. ;w;

[forsaken1111]

Cool thing about current night vision is that it's range is dependent on modified perception. So having low base perception, being in severe pain, or having heavy eye encumbrance can all set your vision range down to one tile.

I understand its purpose and all but hearing 'eye encumbrance' still amuses me and brings to mind someone somehow lifting heavy things with his eyelids.

[Random_Dragon]

Pbbbt. The Wink of Doom, insta-gibbing zombie hulks.

[ollobrains]

Pbbbt. The Wink of Doom, insta-gibbing zombie hulks.

agreed needs complexity depth

[Gatleos]

Any suggestions? I take it I should focus on the project philosophy, but should I be brief on the reasons for the split or expound upon them? Should I go into specifics of what belongs or what doesn't, or should I leave the real nitty-gritty and specific game mechanics out for a later revision once the fork is up and running?

Basic guidelines to help answer the basic questions of "Should this be in the game" and "What level of realism are we shooting for?" are good.

And I am definitely in favor of a basic guiding principle of "Realism is great as long as it does not impose too much tedium on the player". Want it to take 8 hours for my character to craft up some easy but time consuming? Sure, as long as it doesn't take more then me as a player going "Hey, character, make this thing". 

Yeah, I think that the most important use for a design document is creating a set of guiding principles for which features should be in the game. If someone has a question about a change, the design doc should be able to guide them to a clear "yes" or "no".

I would say that, as a simple guideline, game features should be (in descending level of importance):

• Fun
• Realistic
• Lore-friendly

Most important is fun. The game should have an emphasis on engagement, player agency, and reduction of tedium, and thought should be put into early/mid/late game pacing. Next is realism; Cataclysm is just as much a post-apocalyptic survival game as it is about zombies. Complexity is good, bloat and tedium are not. Finally, a gameplay feature should be lore-friendly, to keep a consistent tone, so long as it doesn't violate the first two guidelines.

[Adragis]

Maybe the clairvoyance artifact was not meant to fully recon rooms on the other side of a wall but just save you from opening a door and being face-to-face with something nasty. The basic range of 3 does its job well if that job is to avoid surprises at close range. Could just ask him what the intended purpose of it is, or explain that you'd be going for a change in purpose rather than just "making it better for the sake of making it better".

I think that's why it's called 'clairvoyance'. Your character's not literally seeing through the walls, just having bizarrely accurate premonitions of what's around the corner/just out of sight.

[Random_Dragon]

Welp, evidently a certain someone has insisted that any fancier clairvoyance should be debug or mod only. Which is...eh, fine by me I guess. I was only excited about the suggestion because I can use it in Arcana, so fuck it. o3o

[pisskop]

Well, you can add it as a mod option.

Clairvoyance as a debug would allow us to use it.

[Random_Dragon]

Yeah. I've have thought that better clairvoyance would have some vanilla use, but eh. Fuck it. Not my problem if Kevin doesn't want it, but that he's alright with it being implemented for debug and mods is alright. 3:

[Adragis]

There's already that max-clairvoyance artifact for debug, though, right?

[Random_Dragon]

Which is a touch overkill, admittedly.

[ollobrains]

perhaps a more fleshed out clairvoyance system with additional depth and progression might be useful

[Random_Dragon]

Eh, maybe. For now I figure once Coolthulhu's patch has the new property too (Noct's thing got merged) I'll make use of it.