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[ollobrains]

ranged weapons were always a bit of a bug bear ill check that out, has anyone thought to recombine some of the best parts of the forks and get the project movign again or is it kinda just many forks now doing their own thing

[vastaghen12]

Has anyone thought to recombine some of the best parts of the forks and get the project movign again or is it kinda just many forks now doing their own thing

Coolthulhu kept his fork up-to-date  with the main fork, he just excluded a few things he believed ruined good game play. Which until now was removing the painkiller requirement for bionic installation and the ranged rebalance.

Problem is that Coolthulhu has been offline since late november, so the fork has fallen out of date.

[George_Chickens]

What drama have I missed? Someone mentioned political drama. Speaking as someone who has been in the Cataclysm community since its formation, I'm honestly not surprised things are turning out the way they are. There was always a fair bit of behind the scenes community drama, even under Whales. I can't believe I'd ever say that I MISS the early DDA days where anything that you could think of was added in spite of design, flavour or balance

[Random_Dragon]

Plus sometimes PRs, not just by devs but contributors, go like this one: https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/22822


> half-asses a "realism" change
> pointedly declares they'll do the other half of said half-assed change in another PR
> undersells the gameplay loss of what the full ass will inflict on players

[Aseaheru]

"You cant make things that are made of cotton out of plant fiber"
"Ya know that cotton is a plant fiber, yes?"

[Random_Dragon]

"You cant make things that are made of cotton out of plant fiber"
"Ya know that cotton is a plant fiber, yes?"

Never forget: "new material: bean"

[Rince Wind]

Plus sometimes PRs, not just by devs but contributors, go like this one: https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/22822


> half-asses a "realism" change
> pointedly declares they'll do the other half of said half-assed change in another PR
> undersells the gameplay loss of what the full ass will inflict on players

I wonder how many of those are left by now. I used to love CDDA, but by now I guess I just love the idea, or what it could have been.

[Random_Dragon]

I still occasionally play. Moreso for the sake of ensuring my mod works.

EDIT: And Kevin merged it. In favor of some nonsense like processing plant fiber into thread. There...there is no sane reason you would add a feature like that. Only if there wasn't a 1-to-1 ratio between plant fiber and thread. Increasing thread by making fibers thinner sure as fuck isn't gonna happen because that would benefit the player, while a reduction would be just STELLAR because plant fiber is already stupidly rare.

Note that you can still make rags out of plant fiber or sinew. So now it's both "realistic" and inconsistent.

[King Zultan]

This PR went out recently: https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/22791
It added the OBSTACLE flag to the shopping cart basket part as a way to get rid of the "portable difficult terrain" thing, you know were you use it to kite the zombies. But, it did not touch things like the wheelbarrow or swivel chair but those may come in the future.

Then some one made the mistake of saying "hell why not just add the OBSTACLE flag to all cargos" and Keven saw it and said this.

This:

why not just add the OBSTACLE flag to all cargos

Is a great idea.

[Random_Dragon]

But, it did not touch things like the wheelbarrow or swivel chair but those may come in the future.

Ah yes. Gotta half-ass those "realism" changes or it just won't feel right!

[IronTomato]

"You cant make things that are made of cotton out of plant fiber"
"Ya know that cotton is a plant fiber, yes?"

Never forget: "new material: bean"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KG4ABmo2NI

[iceball3]

This PR went out recently: https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/22791
It added the OBSTACLE flag to the shopping cart basket part as a way to get rid of the "portable difficult terrain" thing, you know were you use it to kite the zombies. But, it did not touch things like the wheelbarrow or swivel chair but those may come in the future.

Then some one made the mistake of saying "hell why not just add the OBSTACLE flag to all cargos" and Keven saw it and said this.

This:

why not just add the OBSTACLE flag to all cargos

Is a great idea.

I'm calling it: he's going to accidentally add OBSTACLE to seat. and boxes, which means you can't get to the passenger seat from the driver seat of a truck, even if normal seats are left safe.

[Random_Dragon]

I'm calling it: he's going to accidentally add OBSTACLE to seat. and boxes, which means you can't get to the passenger seat from the driver seat of a truck, even if normal seats are left safe.

> accidentally

[anexiledone]

I dislike the gameyness of the approach of a lot of recent changes.

It's like we get one realism change, then people complain it made things too easy, so we get a change that makes things completely unrealistic, then the cycle repeats.

The dispersion started because we needed a more realistic aiming system (why I have no idea), this meant with enough time even an unskilled shooter could line up a shot. Just like real life. Then there were complaints about how there's no point in skills anymore, so they tried mucking with the weapon stats and ammo rather than the broken aiming system they had in place.

Or the issue with shopping carts being used as a means to slow down zombies in combat. Rather than go "Wait a minute.. shopping carts are usually made of some form of plastic or shit metal, we should make them really weak and easy to destroy!" they go with "Shopping carts are objects of such engineering that you can only go around them!"

The community screaming realism!!! while disregarding realism is the current problem. Real life is not balanced. You can't demand realism AND balanced gameplay.

[duckman]

I dislike the gameyness of the approach of a lot of recent changes.

It's like we get one realism change, then people complain it made things too easy, so we get a change that makes things completely unrealistic, then the cycle repeats.

The dispersion started because we needed a more realistic aiming system (why I have no idea), this meant with enough time even an unskilled shooter could line up a shot. Just like real life. Then there were complaints about how there's no point in skills anymore, so they tried mucking with the weapon stats and ammo rather than the broken aiming system they had in place.

Or the issue with shopping carts being used as a means to slow down zombies in combat. Rather than go "Wait a minute.. shopping carts are usually made of some form of plastic or shit metal, we should make them really weak and easy to destroy!" they go with "Shopping carts are objects of such engineering that you can only go around them!"

The community screaming realism!!! while disregarding realism is the current problem. Real life is not balanced. You can't demand realism AND balanced gameplay.

It's not people screaming about realism, it's people demanding a "real challenge" and misidentifying it as the game not being realistic enough.