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[NullForceOmega]

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Thank you for the update, but you might want to edit that exchange out of your post, it might be seen as "inter-forum drama", which Toady has pretty conclusively ruled as 'not ok'.

[Blood_Librarian]

Progress sems to be moving on. I reported on a bug and i am now technically part of the development, hurrah.

[Ygdrad]

What would you say is the best tileset at the moment? I personally prefer playing in ascii, but tilesets are preferable when I stream since to some people ascii would be like staring through the matrix.

[Random_Dragon]

What would you say is the best tileset at the moment? I personally prefer playing in ascii, but tilesets are preferable when I stream since to some people ascii would be like staring through the matrix.

Of the tilesets in the repo, the Xotto variantion of the MShock series is one of the most complete and still consistent in art style.

If you're willing to snag a third-party tileset, SomeDeadGuy has an even-more-frequently-maintain tileset based off that: https://github.com/SomeDeadGuy/Cata-MSX-DeadPeopleTileset

As you'll see in the readme, it's also designed to be compatible with a flavor mod that allows you to change hair, skin, etc during character creation.

[Ygdrad]

Alright, thanks for the tileset recommendations. I've got some more questions. I haven't played CDDA in 1-2 years. I stopped around the time they implemented nutrition and the more complex requirements for vehicle building. How's the nutrition system? On paper it looks like it's going to be hell to manage and keep up with needs, but in practice, how much of a pain is it? I kept hearing complaints that the game was becoming more and more of a hassle and less fun, was that true, did it change? I'm just like to know what to expect, am I gonna have to go read the wiki or the code base to figure the new and improved systems or is it straightforward?

[Random_Dragon]

Last I've checked it hasn't really received much work in a while. Simplified Nutrition is still a default mod, and you still get scurvy within a week. Now that the default season length is 91 days, MAYBE rebalancing the buildup might happen, but I don't think anyone's really pushed for it.

Other than that, I don't know if the effects of these vitamin deficiencies have been implemented yet, or if they're still only in PK's Rebalancing. Would need to give it a test sometime, though I do know that Carnivore eliminates the need for vitamin C.

[Ygdrad]

Thanks again. I think I've got only one more question at the moment and it's about butchering. I know it changed and I saw some complaints about it some time back in this thread. How does it work now?

Edit: I'm currently trying to figure out how to get SomeDeadGuy's tileset to work. The readme didn't touch on installation and simply dropping it in the mods folder didn't make it show up in the settings menu for tileset selection.
Edit2: think I got it. had to put one of the folders in the gfx folder

[Random_Dragon]

Butchering has been basically set up to be fully sane now. Quick butchery is pretty much now old-style butchery, but you can't get CBMs from dead augmented monsters that way. Full butchery can also be done on smaller critters at will, is annoying to set up for larger ones, but returns much better yields (enough to make the hassle worth it).

Dissection is the only real thing that's mildly problematic, but I...THINK field dressing doesn't mess with it, so delaying the rot with it has additional use.

[Ygdrad]

Butchering has been basically set up to be fully sane now. Quick butchery is pretty much now old-style butchery, but you can't get CBMs from dead augmented monsters that way. Full butchery can also be done on smaller critters at will, is annoying to set up for larger ones, but returns much better yields (enough to make the hassle worth it).

Dissection is the only real thing that's mildly problematic, but I...THINK field dressing doesn't mess with it, so delaying the rot with it has additional use.

Thanks. Do you happen to know about the character customization mod you mentioned? SomeDeadGuy's page had a link, I'm not sure if that's the customization mod or if it needs anything else. It also lacks instructions, the mods archive likely has to be extracted in the mods folder, but what about all those other loose files?

[Robsoie]

I use the tileset myself but not the customisation part so i can't help
https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/mshockxotto-tileset-new-thread/15330

My crossbow maniac character is still alive with his pal, probably because we left alone the part of the city in which we saw that murdering abomination that is a skeletal juggernaut.

After a NPC asked us to take care of some monstrosity (if it hasn't changed since the old version it's very likely a Jabberwock, so thanks for the mission but no ) i decided instead to go to the next town nearby (the Jabberwock is supposed to its north) to see if i would be more successful in finding food there or something to take out the juggernaut.

We left the base

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And ran into a Mi-Go that was roaming around the first house we were trying to infiltrate.


Sorry to Lovecraft but i filled the damn thing with bolts.


Avoiding walking on its bizarre blood, we finally got into the house , with the disapointement to find nothing of real value for our survival, out of some coffee due to the building being actually a coffee house.

As after the travel night was coming i decided we needed to sleep there, as most of the shop was in darkness, i thought it would protect us from some of the zombie dogs roaming around.

Couldn't sleep at all, probably too much coffee , so waited until the day came back.

As it looks like the zombie dogs all moved to the other side of the street during the night, i decided we needed to cross the street to the next house, hoping for something good to eat or drink.

Unfortunately it wasn't going to happen smoothly.
A couple of zombie dogs rushed us while i was prying the door with my halligan bar , fortunately they weren't a problem and once in we got a zombie coming through a window, followed by a NPC
Great ! then the NPC ordered me to drop my crossbow on the floor, i don't think so man and tried to persuade him i wanted to let him live to serve as a meat shield for me.
Unfortunately things didn't worked and the idiot went hostile.
My NPC pal was fighting in melee and supported by my crossbow we killed the zombie and hurt the hostile NPC enough for make the situation easier.

Until another zombie showed up, coming from inside of the dark part of the house, a though zombie this time so i knew he wouldn't go down in a couple of bolts, so i moved in a way both NPC that were duking it out would be my shield.

I shot more bolts to both the hostile NPC and the though zombie and the hostile NPC finally went down.
Sadly my friendly NPC went down in front of the hammering he was recieving from the though zombie.

Fortunately for me a last bolt took the beast down.

I was alone and entered the house again only for more disapointement in term of loot.


This expedition was a complete fiasco, nothing good found and lost my new best friend of the last couple of days.
Came back to base, avoiding a small zombie dog pack that were being all killed by some very angry NPC , that i decided to avoid for now.

[Robsoie]

Got an interesting cdda session today.

Day 5 was good, i managed to find a working car and got 2 friendly NPC to serve as meatshield for my character help each other to survive, one that was friendly from the start and one that was persuaded i wasn't after him and was persuaded to get in my team.
2 successfull persuade rolls on a row

We explored a bit more of the city as the skeletal juggernaut was nowhere to be seen, killed a bunch of zombies to help with the house looting.
Even managed to get my hand on a hacksaw that allowed to finally cut those damned metal bars that were blocking every window of a gun store.
Only for a massive disapointement once in to see that said gun store had only a few gun part like a ironsight, a scope and some casings but no actual gun :/

Spend the remnant of the day to read a few books, then eat and drink because apparently in the cdda world reading is still making you very hungry and very thirsty .

After some good sleep, Day 6 started.
I thought it was time to refill my clean water stock, taking all the empty bottles mini-bottles and mini-glass bottles that are all only half a liter each (i wonder where are all the 3 liters big bottles in that world) to the small pool in front of a house near my main base.

Then moved to the shrubs, set them to fire and started the clean water craft -> move in empty container repetitive dance.

Such a repetitive process that i was preparing that it made me forget something rather important : fire like to spread on a random tile around when there's some grass

A pity considering there were some brazier nearby that i could have used as they don't spread fire, the oven was too far.

Anyways, it really didn't go smoothly

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(screenshot taken after some painkillers were making effect)
It was really bad, i ran to the pool but by the time i reached it my burned legs were out and exhibit now the broken limb status, meaning i'm going to walk much slower now, something very bad considering the damned skeletal juggernaut is still somewhere in the city.

While obviously both friendly NPC just watched without even trying to help, lucky me they're on my team so at least they didn't tried to shoot me on top of my legs burning.

I was thinking about the next move, as obviously there was no leg splint around, i was thinking there was a chance i would have to make some.
On the list of items required to craft some, i had no rags or medical gauze.

rags apparently may be able to be obtained from deconstructing beds, but after finding a bed in a house nearby i saw that it wasn't the case at all as deconstructing it led to 0 rags, so i took the blankets and decided to drag those home in order to see if with some cutting tool (as i had none) it would allow me to transform those blankets into the much needed rags.
I wore a blanket on myself as i couldn't carry 2 if i didn't do that apparently.

After exiting the house we ran into a very hostile NPC that i had ignored previously (as he ran away from me a few hours before) and he started to attack one of my NPC pal.

I supported my teammate as much as i could with my crossbow but i don't know what kind of armor that npc had but the wounds inflicted were very light.

I noticed the other friendly NPC was just watching and doing nothing, i tried to change his attack behaviour to no effect, even telling him to attack anything i attack first didn't changed and he just watched, damn that moron.

In the end the attacked NPC died just a turn before one of my bolt finally took the enemy down.

Rather annoying with the legs breaking  and the loss of a squad member i started to slowly head to the base.
When terror appeared, on the corner of the house we just exited he was there, that dreaded skeletal juggernaut !

I tried to run away, tried because with 2 leg broken i imagine running must still be slow but something surprised me highly, the surviving NPC squad member started to shoot at the humongous monster.
I roleplayed my thought at the time that the poor bugger wanted to atone for him cowering in fear and letting our friend die a minute ago.

Anyways, i was getting some distance, there was hope because the working car wasn't that far anymore. It was time because on the other side


The less i can say is that the NPC died shortly after.
But i had reached my car, oh joy, oh how much revenge must be had.

The skeletal juggernaut was on my track, but i wasn't fleeing now, i was getting some distance so i could then turn around and get some speed


faster !!!


HA HA HA HA HA ! DESTROY THE MONSTER !!!!



Though i must say the losing control message worried me a bit, but fortunately i managed to get back in control and parked the car again.
Victory ! the cost was heavy but finally a part of the city was now opened, the mighty terror of bones that was blocking the area was now destroyed once and for all !

So in the end, horrible things happened but the day ended in a very good note.
Funnily the monster left a few rags behind, will be usefull to make the leg splints.

[Jilladilla]

rags apparently may be able to be obtained from deconstructing beds, but after finding a bed in a house nearby i saw that it wasn't the case at all as deconstructing it led to 0 rags, so i took the blankets and decided to drag those home in order to see if with some cutting tool (as i had none) it would allow me to transform those blankets into the much needed rags.

You try smashing apart the bed? That might be the trick. (Been too long since I touched Cataclysm: DDA to say for certain)
Pretty sure it gives a bunch of rags too.

[Robsoie]

I didn't thought of simply smashing them, i disassembled them instead.
Maybe that's why it delivered no rags.

But once the big threat was removed and i was back to my base cutting the blankets did the trick, i had enough rags (along the other required items i already had in my stockpiles) to craft 2 leg splint (i had to butcher a bunch of zombie corpses just before in order to get the required survival skill to level 2 too as i just noticed when i was ready that the skill was still at 1)

And my character is now the proud owner of 2 leg splints, hopefully it will not take too many days to get those legs back online

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Additionally i discovered an odd NPC migrational behaviour, after surviving all those days in that city i noticed several NPC (the ones that never turned hostile or were running away from me) that were spawning were heading to the south east of my city.
So just before finishing the splints i decided to investigate that area and discovered the NPC seems to be having a gathering and from there they're patrolling north then south of that position constantly and repeatedly.



No idea why they're doing that, there's nothing of interest in the area (and no more zombies there since a while as they killed them all there).

[Aseaheru]

 Yeah, smashing beds gives rags, taking it apart gives blankets worth more rags.

[Blood_Librarian]

He hasnt made a knife yet.