Bay 12 Games Forum

Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Advanced search  

Author Topic: -  (Read 1631 times)

Emma

  • Bay Watcher
  • Romace plots aren't actually that bad
    • View Profile
-
« on: March 22, 2015, 08:44:08 pm »

-
« Last Edit: August 08, 2019, 12:26:50 am by Emma »
Logged

scrdest

  • Bay Watcher
  • Girlcat?/o_ o
    • View Profile
Re: Help With Music Composition
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2015, 08:08:02 am »

It doesn't feel like much in particular - your melodic lines are simple, stepwise movements by a second, with an odd third every now and then, it's also very rhythmically uniform - either quarter or full notes.

I also think you might be repeating the ostinatos too many times without breaks or changes in some places, but it might be just my musical ADD speaking.
Logged
We are doomed. It's just that whatever is going to kill us all just happens to be, from a scientific standpoint, pretty frickin' awesome.

YAHG

  • Bay Watcher
    • View Profile
Re: Help With Music Composition
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2015, 08:56:20 am »

Its sorta sounds like those warm up/learning exercises in your typical learn to play X book. I agree with above about maybe some more intricate rhythms. You can break it up a little more if you change make some of the lines change their rhythm patterns at points where you can feel the phrases break.

The only real spot I heard this was at the start of the 9th measure (the rest sorta felt like a big block). Usually in most music you listen to you can here the spots where there are obvious opportunities to change the phrase, start/stop lyrics chorus/verses. Most songs you'll here on the radio for example won't use all of these break points in their phrasing as it is a nice effect to not ALWAYS hear what your expecting to hear.

You can get a sense for your own patterning as you listen to more of the stuff you wrote/recorded and you can almost hear your patterns as your songs move along. Breaking up your own patterns by sometimes deliberately breaking from them and other times allowing yourself to follow them can give your songs more life and a sense of spontaneity. The 'shiftingness' can keep the listeners ears more on their toes.

I don't really know anything about ostinatos or any of those other fancy things, but it did overall feel very plodding and deliberate.

scrdest

  • Bay Watcher
  • Girlcat?/o_ o
    • View Profile
Re: Help With Music Composition
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2015, 01:23:22 pm »

An ostinato is fancyslang for, basically, a riff. A short-ish repeating melody. Ferex, top violin does this descending 4-note thing at the beginning for several bars.
Logged
We are doomed. It's just that whatever is going to kill us all just happens to be, from a scientific standpoint, pretty frickin' awesome.

YAHG

  • Bay Watcher
    • View Profile
Re: Help With Music Composition
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2015, 01:34:17 pm »

An ostinato is fancyslang for, basically, a riff. A short-ish repeating melody. Ferex, top violin does this descending 4-note thing at the beginning for several bars.
8) Cool

Eagleon

  • Bay Watcher
    • View Profile
    • Soundcloud
Re: Help With Music Composition
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2015, 02:35:58 pm »

On the other hand, you are not hopeless! I've heard people just write without respecting dissonance at all, like they had never heard music before. What you've made is approaching drone - the lower whole notes made me think that was where you were going, which I love. You just need a little bit more rhythmic variation, some frills away from the center line (ostinato) change up the velocity/volume of each note, and push around the stereo placement/panning. It'll sound a lot happier, and it'll give you more ideas to play around with it like that.

Above all listen to what you think is wrong with it, because criticism from others ignores what you're hearing and what you enjoy - your ears are not lying to you on the latter, but thinking objectively about the former is much harder. Basically there's composition, and then there's translating that into music and hearing your composition. The tug of war between the two is where you improve both.

Also, it's worth mentioning that midi is generically hit or miss because what other people are hearing is not at all consistent with what you may be working with - if you want to share it, it's going to be difficult to give a good impression if the volume of the samples inside the Soundfont are completely wack compared to yours. LMMS, or the free version of FL Studio is great for this, you can import midi and assign each track to a separate instrument, even split it up across new tracks into fast/slow violin notes for a less mechanical feel, while still working with the tools your course is using for actual composition.

More than just volume, you also really have to listen to the vibrato and characteristics of the instruments you're using to get it to sound reasonable. It'll sound especially good if you can manage to grasp the tempo of the vibrato, in the violin and whatever else you choose to use, and match it to the tempo of the song in a way that makes sense with the timing. Takes a little practice to hear.

Some better soundfonts might help, if your course allows for that! I use Squidfont Orchestral for everything but violin: http://soundfonts.darkesword.com/ and otherwise I use All Around Violin: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/46645289/aaviolin.sf2 (not sure where this originated from, the only site I found it on is a shady-looking soundfont aggregator) Both are really well-balanced recordings to begin with, IMO - while they aren't even close to a professional sample library, they can be beautiful with some effects layered over-top to mask their repetitions. If you're interested in hunting for more, this is the thread I got them from to begin with http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/1200140
Logged
Agora: open-source, next-gen online discussions with formal outcomes!
Music, Ballpoint
Support 100% Emigration, Everyone Walking Around Confused Forever 2044

MaximumZero

  • Bay Watcher
  • Stare into the abyss.
    • View Profile
Re: Help With Music Composition
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2015, 01:02:24 am »

Needs more guitar solo.
Logged
  
Holy crap, why did I not start watching One Punch Man earlier? This is the best thing.
probably figured an autobiography wouldn't be interesting

Emma

  • Bay Watcher
  • Romace plots aren't actually that bad
    • View Profile
-
« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2015, 01:07:54 am »

-
« Last Edit: August 08, 2019, 12:27:13 am by Emma »
Logged