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LordArchibald

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Why there is no DF Patreon?
« on: April 13, 2015, 08:43:39 am »

Is there some reason why there is no DF's patreon page? It would definitely bring some decent income (people who hate using PayPal, too lazy to find the donate option, scared of "recurring PayPal subscriptions which are hard to cancel" option, people who simply forgot (on patreon you have control over all your supported projects in one place), and so on). It's so trivial to setup this...
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Re: Why there is on DF Patreon?
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2015, 05:29:19 pm »

Hmmm, I suspect it may have been less well known until it started to show up at certain sites over the last what, 6 months?

That is a pretty good question though, as long as the page is properly set up and such I can't think of a reason why it wouldn't be a great fit for DF and Toady.
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Re: Why there is on DF Patreon?
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2015, 09:15:15 am »

I actually wrote and asked Toady about this, and he does consider it but there is also a bit higher price for using this service compared to the paypal. Maybe it will happen sometime in the future.
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Re: Why there is on DF Patreon?
« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2015, 12:19:44 am »

people who hate using PayPal... scared of "recurring PayPal subscriptions which are hard to cancel"
just out of curiosity how many of those are there
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Re: Why there is on DF Patreon?
« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2015, 12:37:32 am »

I say that if it does wind up getting one, it waits until after the point when Patreon contracts.  Service still appears to be new to the public eye, so there are probably still a bunch of people trying to make a quick buck using the service.  Besides that, waiting would give a better idea of which sort of reputation the site develops in the terms of its userbase, as that could potentially lead to things using the site to be having a tarnished reputation if the users become a certain type of people.

May want to change the title to 'Why is there no DF Patreon?', as with the current one, I came in believing this thread was about someone having made one trying to make money off of DF when they weren't the ones programming it.
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Re: Why there is on DF Patreon?
« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2015, 07:42:24 pm »

Are those Paypal subscriptions for the receiver only? I don't think I've ever seen a monthy fee or whatever..
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Re: Why there is on DF Patreon?
« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2015, 07:48:04 am »

There is no monthly fee for the user, but there is a paypal fee that the recipient of the donations pays. It's less than what Patreon or other crowdfunding sites take, which is usually around 10%.
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Re: Why there is on DF Patreon?
« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2015, 03:55:40 pm »

Patreon's fee system is a bit complicated because it depends on how people pay and how much else people are giving money to, but it *is* still a bit higher than pure Paypal.

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Re: Why there is on DF Patreon?
« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2015, 03:22:28 pm »

Patreons tend to get pretty good rates, probably because the default is that you repeat your contribution, not that you don't. Even very limited games with far smaller fanbases than DF (not to mention much shorter lifespans) are taking five digits per month. And that number only goes up over time as long as development is continuous.
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Re: Why there is on DF Patreon?
« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2015, 04:27:10 pm »

We looked back through our email, and there seemed to be enough interest to go ahead and give this a shot.  There are all sorts of optional settings and so forth which we haven't fully dived into, but we've hopefully set up a passable page here:

Bay 12 Games on Patreon

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Re: Why there is on DF Patreon?
« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2015, 05:38:47 pm »

I hope you're happy lord archibald  :D
do we get story rewards if we support on patreon?
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Re: Why there is on DF Patreon?
« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2015, 05:42:58 pm »

Yeah, the idea is just to do it all the same way at this point -- check the $1+ reward box and you'll have a option for either story or crayon.  We still have to see how payments clear and what sorts of activity posts we need and all that, but it should all work smoothly eventually.
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Re: Why there is on DF Patreon?
« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2015, 10:58:49 pm »

Yeah, the idea is just to do it all the same way at this point -- check the $1+ reward box and you'll have a option for either story or crayon.  We still have to see how payments clear and what sorts of activity posts we need and all that, but it should all work smoothly eventually.
You already make more a month through that alone than I do lol
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Re: Why there is on DF Patreon?
« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2015, 11:09:36 pm »

Holy crap, you've got $340 dollars on that already.
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Re: Why there is on DF Patreon?
« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2015, 02:39:33 am »

Holy crap, you've got $340 dollars on that already.
Just broke $400, and it's only going to keep going up. For perspective on Patreon, here's the account of a porn game* made in Flash:
https://www.patreon.com/user?u=108351
It employs four people each with about the amount of money that the Adams brothers share. And it's been sitting there with the number going up for a year or something, but compared to DF development it's been no time at all. If DF follows the usual pattern, the number on Patreon is going to be astronomical by the standards of previous DF donations before very long at all.

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