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Author Topic: Why there is no DF Patreon?  (Read 10038 times)

Inarius

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Re: Why there is no DF Patreon?
« Reply #30 on: April 30, 2015, 02:18:14 am »

For now, we (you) don't know what the effect of this is.
Perhaps these 1800$ are mainly donation from people who already donated to DF, so it's more like a cannibalisation.
Of course, there is a reasonable chance that they will make more money with that than they did before. White & sea !
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« Reply #31 on: April 30, 2015, 04:22:17 am »

I'm tempted to register a Patreon account. I typically donate at the "big" releases, so that might only be every couple of years or so. Just look at the monthly donation summary and you can see how up and down it is. An on-going Patreon would really take a lot of the uncertainty out of funding, so cannibalisation is no bad thing.

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Inarius

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Re: Why there is no DF Patreon?
« Reply #32 on: April 30, 2015, 06:03:33 am »

I'm tempted to register a Patreon account. I typically donate at the "big" releases, so that might only be every couple of years or so. Just look at the monthly donation summary and you can see how up and down it is. An on-going Patreon would really take a lot of the uncertainty out of funding, so cannibalisation is no bad thing.

I didn't say it was a bad thing. Just that this amount (1800$) doesn't mean anything for the next months, as monthly donation are around 3000$ most of the time with 5000, or 10 000 or more for big releases.
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Re: Why there is no DF Patreon?
« Reply #33 on: April 30, 2015, 08:35:12 am »

For now, we (you) don't know what the effect of this is.
Perhaps these 1800$ are mainly donation from people who already donated to DF, so it's more like a cannibalisation.
Of course, there is a reasonable chance that they will make substantially more money with that than they did before. White & sea !
Of course we don't know, but we can extrapolate based on other projects, and the overall income is likely to increase, with "peaks" (those normally corresponding to releases) now seeing a surge in one-time donations but also an increase in recurrent funding.

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Is this actually true? I thought there was just a relatively small server cost and the living expenses of Toady and Three Toe, and since that goal is consistently met, additional funding is essentially thanking the Adams brothers by allowing them to live in comfort and security rather than in poverty, not anything directly related to development or distribution.
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Re: Why there is no DF Patreon?
« Reply #34 on: April 30, 2015, 09:13:32 am »

I thought there was just a relatively small server cost and the living expenses of Toady and Three Toe, and since that goal is consistently met, additional funding is essentially thanking the Adams brothers by allowing them to live in comfort and security rather than in poverty, not anything directly related to development or distribution.

Two adults living off roughly $4k per month wouldn't be my definition of "comfort". God help them if they ever want to have families.

Anyway, Graham Smith, the RPS article writer, is a fan of DF and may have been putting his own spin on it to encourage donations. Frankly I'm spreading the word where I can. I actually signed up for the Patreon and it was relatively painless. Not in for a huge amount until I see how it works out. Threw a buck Peridexiserrant's way as well, as I use the Starter pack exclusively.
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Re: Why there is no DF Patreon?
« Reply #35 on: April 30, 2015, 10:01:08 am »

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Re: Why there is no DF Patreon?
« Reply #36 on: April 30, 2015, 10:08:57 am »

I was under the impression that Zach still works a day job, but I could be wrong.
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Re: Why there is no DF Patreon?
« Reply #37 on: April 30, 2015, 11:36:59 am »

I thought there was just a relatively small server cost and the living expenses of Toady and Three Toe, and since that goal is consistently met, additional funding is essentially thanking the Adams brothers by allowing them to live in comfort and security rather than in poverty, not anything directly related to development or distribution.

Two adults living off roughly $4k per month wouldn't be my definition of "comfort". God help them if they ever want to have families.
A matter of perspective, I suppose. I spend quite a bit less than that and consider it comfortable, though, and from what is public of Toady's lifestyle, he isn't a man of particularly expensive vices either.

I was under the impression that Zach still works a day job, but I could be wrong.
I was under the impression that he lives with their parents, though I got that impression years ago.
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Re: Why there is no DF Patreon?
« Reply #38 on: April 30, 2015, 12:07:33 pm »

What I would like to know is if I donate money will I see more productivity and organization as a result.
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Re: Why there is on DF Patreon?
« Reply #39 on: April 30, 2015, 12:09:32 pm »

What the fook is a gelder?
Gelder, a person who performs animal castration.

Does this include gelder, too ?
Lets hope not.
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Re: Why there is no DF Patreon?
« Reply #40 on: April 30, 2015, 12:17:48 pm »

What I would like to know is if I donate money will I see more productivity and organization as a result.
There's no logical reason why that would happen. There isn't a money-related roadblock in Toady's workflow.
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Re: Why there is no DF Patreon?
« Reply #41 on: April 30, 2015, 12:37:18 pm »

But  if you donate money, you may be a bit surer Toady won't suddenly stop working on DF and become an accountant  :-\
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Re: Why there is no DF Patreon?
« Reply #42 on: April 30, 2015, 04:39:32 pm »

Not sure productivity is really a problem.

Toady looked at hauling back in the day and implemented minecarts and physics for them.

Now he starts out talking about getting performers in taverns and so far we've got people throwing festivals while literally throwing the strings of their instruments (randomly of course), libraries, philosophical underpinnings, absurdly complicated systems to generate rules for absurdly complicated music and dance styles, and lord knows what else.
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Re: Why there is no DF Patreon?
« Reply #43 on: April 30, 2015, 06:25:12 pm »

What I would like to know is if I donate money will I see more productivity and organization as a result.
There's no logical reason why that would happen. There isn't a money-related roadblock in Toady's workflow.
at least not while we keep up a reasonable amount of donations
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Re: Why there is no DF Patreon?
« Reply #44 on: May 01, 2015, 05:46:44 am »

Not sure if already suggested:

What about (optional) contributor badges for forum members as additional reward? I think that whould boost the donations.

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I don't understand what the storyreward is.
Also I don't know how to receive an award, respectively how to choose one.
Your help is greatly appreciated!
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