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Re: Bay12 Census/Survey -- on board tour
« Reply #60 on: May 13, 2015, 10:53:34 pm »

Actually, the form maker (which is me) can't even see the IP.
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Re: Bay12 Census/Survey -- on board tour
« Reply #61 on: May 13, 2015, 11:33:28 pm »

bay`12: the place where the simulated mass murder of children is acceptable and even encouraged, but a demographic survey is controversial.
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Re: Bay12 Census/Survey -- on board tour
« Reply #62 on: May 14, 2015, 12:11:48 am »

Sent, PTW.
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Re: Bay12 Census/Survey -- on board tour
« Reply #63 on: May 14, 2015, 12:17:50 am »

Filled. PTW.

I find it rather interesting that last year's survey had more people who answered "other" for gender than "female".
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Re: Bay12 Census/Survey -- on board tour
« Reply #64 on: May 14, 2015, 12:25:29 am »

As for sexuality's relevance to Dwarf Fortress, I think it's relevant in more ways than we hetero folks tend to think. As an obvious example, I doubt that anyone not-heterosexual had a negative reaction to the sexual orientation Easter Egg in the latest release.

There were negative reactions?
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Re: Bay12 Census/Survey -- on board tour
« Reply #65 on: May 14, 2015, 12:35:17 am »

Some didn't like how it reduces your dwarves' fertility rate in the game. People made instructions on how to edit the raws to remove the feature and ensure breeding in your fort. I don't think anyone had any moral objections to it, however. (At least that weren't removed before I saw them.)
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Re: Bay12 Census/Survey -- on board tour
« Reply #66 on: May 14, 2015, 12:40:11 am »

Filled ^.^
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Re: Bay12 Census/Survey -- on board tour
« Reply #67 on: May 14, 2015, 02:00:45 am »

Could someone please elaborate on this "lower boards" and "upper boards" concepts? I'm assuming the first term describes an active group of users from a part of the Bay 12 Games Forum which is not connected to DF?
The upper boards are boards about Dwarf Fortress. The lower boards are about... Sexuality apparently? It's pretty much just a mess of people talking and playing forum games and whatever with no real purpose. The name comes from their position on the board index.

Upper boarder here, gonna stick up for the sexual orientation & salary questions. These are common demographic survey questions, just phrased slightly differently from how they usually are.

Salary survey questions usually give salary ranges rather than asking you to specify your salary. I suspect if the question had included range options (with a "prefer not to answer" option) rather than asking you to specify, you wouldn't have blinked. The demographic information that salary information gives is a rough picture of the class distribution of the community in question.

Sexuality questions usually give options for hetero/homo/bi, and I suspect no one would have blinked if it had been phrased that way either. The Kinsey scale just gives slightly more nuanced answers, for people who are interested.

As for sexuality's relevance to Dwarf Fortress, I think it's relevant in more ways than we hetero folks tend to think. As an obvious example, I doubt that anyone not-heterosexual had a negative reaction to the sexual orientation Easter Egg in the latest release.
Yet you'll notice that other common demography questions, like those pertaining to race and ethnicity, are totally absent, even in the nuanceless version used by, for example, US federal government. To me, my family's history is a way bigger part of my identity than categorizing the portion of instances that I'm attracted to one gender over another.

And the sexuality thing isn't an easter egg but a full mechanic. More than a few people don't like, on mechanical grounds, the fact that animals can be and often are exclusively homosexual or asexual because it hinders breeding plans (and it's not really reflective of reality for the vast majority of animals) rather than because of some ideological grounds. Of course, this is for people that play Dwarf Fortress, I don't know the opinion of the lower boards.

While I don't know how common it is, I've seen some somewhat joking questions in actual large scale surveys as well.  Usually in the middle of longer surveys, probably to keep people interested instead of getting halfway through and getting bored and deciding to stop taking it.  Depending on what the question is it may actually lead to a result worth investigating further even if the joke question itself isn't useable.  For example the toady one question may lead to a more serious question next time about the community's opinion of Toady One depending on how the answers lay out.
It might be interesting to as something like "do you respect Tarn Adams primarily as a person or as a creator of a game you enjoy?". That would get a feel for a "cult of personality" vibe compared to simply enjoying the game as a game with Toady's existence being a mere accessory to that – I feel that both positions exist in non-trivial number.

bay`12: the place where the simulated mass murder of children is acceptable and even encouraged, but a demographic survey is controversial.
The difference is that one of these things is related to a game made by Bay12Games (the subject of the forum) while the other isn't.

Some didn't like how it reduces your dwarves' fertility rate in the game. People made instructions on how to edit the raws to remove the feature and ensure breeding in your fort. I don't think anyone had any moral objections to it, however. (At least that weren't removed before I saw them.)
Toady doesn't normally remove opinions unless they cause a shitstorm (and even then, often only if it metastasizes) and when he does he says so in the thread.
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Re: Bay12 Census/Survey -- on board tour
« Reply #68 on: May 14, 2015, 02:07:40 am »

Meh. We're not professional survey-maker-people. These are the questions that were suggested.

If you don't like it, that's cool. Just ignore the thread and return to your DFing.
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Re: Bay12 Census/Survey -- on board tour
« Reply #69 on: May 14, 2015, 02:26:18 am »

I especially hate those who answered, jokingly, 1 for internet speed, because I can't really tell if they really do have 1 Mbps interner speed (like some of my friends do) or if it's a joke answer. At least height and weight I can immediately tell that 1, 0, -1 are invalid answers.
Err, for posterity, if there's anyone who answered 0.01, that's me.
And that's real ._.
Because our net is...bad.

But I honestly think people miss out on the tiny red *, and it may be a habit for them to instead fill those areas out with...filler material.
Or its the color vs the background. It doesn't stand out -that- much, though it is quite obvious, anyway.

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The upper boards are boards about Dwarf Fortress. The lower boards are about... Sexuality apparently? It's pretty much just a mess of people talking and playing forum games and whatever with no real purpose. The name comes from their position on the board index.
I think you mean 'Everything not DF', to accurately describe it. :P
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Re: Bay12 Census/Survey -- on board tour: 2 days left!
« Reply #70 on: May 14, 2015, 02:35:39 am »

I mean people who answer 1, 1, 1, 1 for height, weight, internet up and down respectively.
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Re: Bay12 Census/Survey -- on board tour
« Reply #71 on: May 14, 2015, 09:56:26 am »

As for sexuality's relevance to Dwarf Fortress, I think it's relevant in more ways than we hetero folks tend to think. As an obvious example, I doubt that anyone not-heterosexual had a negative reaction to the sexual orientation Easter Egg in the latest release.

There were negative reactions?

I saw someone gripe about Toady pushing a political agenda. I think it might have been in Future of the Fortress. Could have been on a different forum tho.

I agree that a race/ethnicity question would have been nice to have - maybe for the 2016 survey.
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Re: Bay12 Census/Survey -- on board tour
« Reply #72 on: May 14, 2015, 11:09:23 am »

Meh. We're not professional survey-maker-people. These are the questions that were suggested.

If you don't like it, that's cool. Just ignore the thread and return to your DFing.

But.. but... but... I want to fly into a rage at a perceived slight over the internet....
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« Reply #73 on: May 14, 2015, 12:20:43 pm »

As for sexuality's relevance to Dwarf Fortress, I think it's relevant in more ways than we hetero folks tend to think. As an obvious example, I doubt that anyone not-heterosexual had a negative reaction to the sexual orientation Easter Egg in the latest release.

There were negative reactions?

I did see some incredibly negative reactions on non-mechanical grounds in the forums, but the majority of those were quickly removed or the threads were forgotten. In fact, you could argue that objections on mechanical grounds are entirely unfounded since it's a relatively simple matter to ctrl-f replace the default orientation tag with one more conducive to breeding (since unless I'm horribly mistaken, the vast majority of creatures use the same default orientation values).

Anyway, with regards to the survey, I hope you guys that filled in joke answers to questions are at least mildly ashamed of yourselves, because this isn't some huge corporation coming and trying to push products on you, this is a bunch of forumers trying to find out roughly and anonymously what the general demographics are. I mean you can just leave the crap blank if it  offends you ("oh no, someone did something I don't like which doesn't hurt me or anyone else in any way on the internet! Let's turn something mildly interesting into a colossal waste of another human's time hurr hurr hurr"). They are humans. Unpaid humans. And I for one am interested in the results.
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Re: Bay12 Census/Survey -- on board tour
« Reply #74 on: May 14, 2015, 01:40:30 pm »

Anyway, with regards to the survey, I hope you guys that filled in joke answers to questions are at least mildly ashamed of yourselves, because this isn't some huge corporation coming and trying to push products on you, this is a bunch of forumers
So... logically if you don't like the survey, what you should do is put hurtful insults because it actually has a chance of preventing this from happening again? That's the only real functional difference I see implied by this being a small-scale thing rather than a corporation.
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