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Micro102

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This is getting ridiculous (LCS)
« on: March 09, 2015, 06:46:37 pm »

So it seems that using a printing press is just impossible to use when free speech is C+.

I have fortified the place for a siege, set up a business front, and equipped a squad with shotguns and body armor. But apparently without any sort of heat warning, firemen come and ignore the siege, and just set everything on fire. And apparently they get flamethrowers and are immune to shotgun shells.

Why does the game just ignore the secrecy rating?
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Re: This is getting ridiculous (LCS)
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2015, 07:09:05 pm »

Sadly currently shotguns are considered pretty low powered guns against armoured foes (besides the AA-12 though, that just tears anyone in half) so are only really viable against unarmoured enemies. Firemen, if you didn't know the reference, are from the book Fahrenheit 451 which is basically a book set in a dystopian world where interactive media such as television and radios have taken over the minds of the people, and written text is taboo. Firemen are the joke in that they are the exact opposite of firefighters, they are men of fire armed with flamethrowers tasked to burn the stashes of books some don't want to let go of. So in LCS, they basically hunt down this source of illegal text or sedition and burn em' all. The reason they are immune or almost immune to shotgun shells is because of their bunker gear which provides decent enough armour to nullify the damage of shotguns.
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Re: This is getting ridiculous (LCS)
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2015, 10:19:05 am »

Yeah, although their bunker gear isn't that good as armor. A good pistol (even a .38 revolver) will chew through firemen fairly effectively, and if you can afford shotguns, then you can also get pistols.
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Re: This is getting ridiculous (LCS)
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2015, 11:47:13 am »

What? I've had guys in army bodygear be one shot by normal shotguns weilded by Hicks.
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Re: This is getting ridiculous (LCS)
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2015, 08:54:27 pm »

Enough consecutive weapon hits damage armour. Even heavy ceramic armour breaks after prolonged combat. And shotguns can still deal major damage to limbs not covered by armour, like arms and such. Having a sleeper in the firehouse/whateveritscalledinC+freeespeech should alert you the day before they siege you. Shotguns are basically only useful for taking down dangerous Conservatives with Juice/Heart lowering abilities. I much prefer swords or assault rifles.
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Re: This is getting ridiculous (LCS)
« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2015, 12:56:04 pm »

Firemen warnings work different from Police warnings. You get a warning, if a random number between 0 and the number of sleepers is nonzero, or a random number between 0 and 9 is zero (if you have no sleepers you are warned by the "word in the underground").
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            // Sleeper Firemen can warn you of an impending raid
            int firemensleepercount=0;
            for(int pl=0;pl<pool.size();pl++)
            {
               if(pool[pl]->flag & CREATUREFLAG_SLEEPER&&
                  pool[pl]->type==CREATURE_FIREFIGHTER)
               {
                  firemensleepercount++;
               }
            }
         
if(LCSrandom(firemensleepercount+1)>0||!LCSrandom(10))
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            {
               erase();
               set_color(COLOR_WHITE,COLOR_BLACK,1);
               move(8,1);
               if(firemensleepercount)
               {
                  addstr("A sleeper Fireman has informed you that ", gamelog);
               } else
               {
                  addstr("Word in the underground is that ", gamelog);
               }
               move(9,1);
               addstr("the Firemen are planning to burn ", gamelog);
               addstr(location[l]->name, gamelog);
               addstr(".", gamelog);
               gamelog.nextMessage();

               refresh();
               getch();
            }
As you see, there is no deterministic way to get a warning. It is better to be equiped to fight them off than to rely on warnings.

Note, that they only raid locations with a printing press and liberals present. If nobody is at the location of the press they can't raid you, but you can still publish secret files. Just daily writing needs someone present. An unoccupied printing press is also a good way to publish CIA files without becoming wanted for treason.