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Eqw

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Why are the elves in DF short?
« on: July 28, 2020, 10:15:20 pm »

Title is my entire question
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Re: Why are the elves in DF short?
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2020, 10:35:12 pm »

In myth they also was short.
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Re: Why are the elves in DF short?
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2020, 01:17:21 am »

I think Tolkien "invented" tall (noble? haughty) elves, which I think Iš! RIAKTOR! refers to. (A)D&D then latched on to Tolkien (without getting sued for that, "only" for Hobbits).
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Re: Why are the elves in DF short?
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2020, 01:58:06 am »

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that elves used to be human sized, and just recently changed.

If you read the (now unused) elf diplomat dialogue, the jerk even makes a joke about the diminute stature of dwarves.

"Altough we do not always see eye to eye (ha!), I bid you farewell. May you someday embrace nature as you embrace the rocks and mud."
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Re: Why are the elves in DF short?
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2020, 04:27:12 am »

Elves and dwarves are the same "size". Which makes them (presumably, based on the diplomat dialogue, although not definitively) as tall as dwarves are wide. So probably taller than a dwarf but not as tall, or about the same as a human.

"Tall" itself isn't a concept the game understands yet.
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Re: Why are the elves in DF short?
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2020, 07:21:16 am »

Yeah, unit size is volume (or mass? can't remember), not height. I've always thought elves were human-height but thin/light, while dwarves are short and stocky, and goblins (also same size) are in between.

I'm not sure about the size of Norse elves. Tolkien's elves, I believe, are based more on English/Celtic fairies: while modern fairies are portrayed as diminutive, in the original sources (such as the Irish legends) they were immortal, magical precursors to human races, and were human sized (some were even bigger than humans). So Tolkien didn't really "invent" tall elves - he just re-popularized them.
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Re: Why are the elves in DF short?
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2020, 07:48:22 am »

Tall is a word the game does apply, sorta: ||

Just doesn't apply to elves. All their appearance sizing mods are same as dwarves. Also, since dwarves are more swole, they're taller than elves.

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Re: Why are the elves in DF short?
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2020, 12:20:07 pm »

I believe Tolkien also indicated that after the Fourth Age began, any elves remaining in Middle Earth (those who did not travel back to the undying lands) began to diminish in stature as well as becoming very shy of humans. Those elves became reclusive in the woodlands and we can imagine them becoming similar to fairy-folk of other legends after humans became completely dominant. Thus giving rise to the other mythologies of elves. Please correct me if my memory is faulty on this.
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Re: Why are the elves in DF short?
« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2020, 07:51:49 am »

Can't say for sure, canon-wise, but that sounds consistent at least.

Tall is a word the game does apply, sorta: ||

Just doesn't apply to elves. All their appearance sizing mods are same as dwarves. Also, since dwarves are more swole, they're taller than elves.
Hmm, I always took the appearance-sizing mods to be relative to the creature: so, "he is tall" means "tall for an elf/dwarf/human." After all I think humans have the same size mods, but are larger by mass and preferred for their "stature"; even a "short" human might still be taller than a dwarf.

I mean, not that it matters. Y'all think of elves however you want.
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Re: Why are the elves in DF short?
« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2020, 06:41:07 pm »

I speculate you could mod the appearance rate so that all elves are tall or something. It'd make them bigger than average human, though still able to wear dwarf-sized clothes.

"or something". Near as I can tell, being tall is not any different than <long> or <wide> for combat or anything else; all just body size increases.

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Re: Why are the elves in DF short?
« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2020, 03:49:20 pm »

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Re: Why are the elves in DF short?
« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2020, 05:44:01 pm »

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Re: Why are the elves in DF short?
« Reply #12 on: August 03, 2020, 10:06:45 pm »

Seeing as the game doesn't really define height as distinct from body weight, I just assume DF elves are tall and skinny.
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