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Re: Dungeons & Dragons / PNP games thread: The Barren Snowflake Wastes
« Reply #6720 on: March 08, 2019, 12:33:47 pm »

Changelings are just humanoid druids.
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Re: Dungeons & Dragons / PNP games thread: The Barren Snowflake Wastes
« Reply #6721 on: March 08, 2019, 01:31:30 pm »

Changeling druids are humanoids just with identity issues.
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Re: Dungeons & Dragons / PNP games thread: The Barren Snowflake Wastes
« Reply #6722 on: March 08, 2019, 01:33:27 pm »

Question. Can druids shapechanve into say elves or dwarves?
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Re: Dungeons & Dragons / PNP games thread: The Barren Snowflake Wastes
« Reply #6723 on: March 08, 2019, 01:36:12 pm »

Do you mean the 9th level spell Shapechange? If so, yes.
If you mean Wild Shape, not as far as I know.
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« Reply #6724 on: March 08, 2019, 01:39:05 pm »

As far as I know, no, since they have to turn into a type of Beast, which is in turn a type of Monster. Humanoids are a different type entirely. Shapechanging is indeed the game breaker though.
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Re: Dungeons & Dragons / PNP games thread: The Barren Snowflake Wastes
« Reply #6725 on: March 08, 2019, 01:43:16 pm »

Hey, that reminds me, can a True-Polymorphed person use the Legendary Resistance, Legendary Actions, and Lair Actions of his new form?
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« Reply #6726 on: March 08, 2019, 01:46:03 pm »

Hey, that reminds me, can a True-Polymorphed person use the Legendary Resistance, Legendary Actions, and Lair Actions of his new form?
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Re: Dungeons & Dragons / PNP games thread: The Barren Snowflake Wastes
« Reply #6727 on: March 08, 2019, 01:47:37 pm »

If you use the sorcerer's Twinned Spell when casting True Polymorph, are both of them turned into the same thing, or could you turn yourself into a red abishai and someone else into a ancient white dragon?
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Re: Dungeons & Dragons / PNP games thread: The Barren Snowflake Wastes
« Reply #6728 on: March 08, 2019, 01:48:01 pm »

Question. Can druids shapechanve into say elves or dwarves?
In 3.5 at least (dunno about 5e druids), no.  Wild shape only includes animals (and eventually, elementals).  And in DND terms humanoids are not animals :P  I kinda bet there's a splat-book solution, though, since I'm pretty sure Book of Exalted Deeds puts some magical beasts on the list (with a feat).

Oddly there *is* a 13th-level Druid class feature which addresses this shapechanging nature:  A Thousand Faces (su).  It acts as at-will Disguise Self, except that it's physical instead of merely visual.

But Disguise Self (a level 1 spell) is very limited:
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I'm not entirely sure what they mean by "body type" there, considering what is specifically allowed, but it's probably "race".  In the DND sense- I assume you can change skin color.  It seems like an odd restriction on a spell which physically morphs your entire body *and your equipment*, that you can't extend your ears a bit, but w/e.  I have to wonder whether gender is considered "body type" too.
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Re: Dungeons & Dragons / PNP games thread: The Barren Snowflake Wastes
« Reply #6729 on: March 08, 2019, 02:10:50 pm »

Question. Can druids shapechanve into say elves or dwarves?
In 3.5 at least (dunno about 5e druids), no.  Wild shape only includes animals (and eventually, elementals).  And in DND terms humanoids are not animals :P  I kinda bet there's a splat-book solution, though, since I'm pretty sure Book of Exalted Deeds puts some magical beasts on the list (with a feat).

Lords of madness also had a feat to add abberations to your available wildshapes.
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« Reply #6730 on: March 08, 2019, 02:16:44 pm »

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Re: Dungeons & Dragons / PNP games thread: The Barren Snowflake Wastes
« Reply #6731 on: March 08, 2019, 02:29:22 pm »

3.5 stuff
5e is similar for most of this, at least with Circle of the Moon subclass Druids. Except in 5e its Alter Self instead of Disguise Self and they get it at 14th level.

If you use the sorcerer's Twinned Spell when casting True Polymorph, are both of them turned into the same thing, or could you turn yourself into a red abishai and someone else into a ancient white dragon?
I'd imagine so, but your minimum level is 20 to be able to do that.
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Re: Dungeons & Dragons / PNP games thread: The Barren Snowflake Wastes
« Reply #6732 on: March 08, 2019, 02:49:05 pm »

If you use the sorcerer's Twinned Spell when casting True Polymorph, are both of them turned into the same thing, or could you turn yourself into a red abishai and someone else into a ancient white dragon?
I'd imagine so, but your minimum level is 20 to be able to do that.
Technically, only your targets need to be that level. You just need to be 17th level (and it's possible the abishai only needs to be 19th).
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Re: Dungeons & Dragons / PNP games thread: The Barren Snowflake Wastes
« Reply #6733 on: March 08, 2019, 02:54:41 pm »

I would personally rule that the same spell can't have two different effects if it's twinned, but I've got the feeling this an edge case that doesn't pop up very often.
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Re: Dungeons & Dragons / PNP games thread: The Barren Snowflake Wastes
« Reply #6734 on: March 08, 2019, 03:13:30 pm »

If someone's casting Twinned True Polymorph, the question of what they can do is essentially moot.
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