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Re: Dungeons & Dragons / PNP games thread: The Barren Snowflake Wastes
« Reply #7065 on: August 14, 2019, 10:38:52 pm »

For one thing, the SRD says a goblin is around 40-45 lbs and kobold around 35-45 lbs, on average.  You'll likely need a crash diet or a very young PC to accomplish it with a mage hand, even with the weight reduction.

Now, an awakened housecat, on the other hand...

EDIT: Oh, sorry, a 12lb total weight limit means it isn't D&D 3.5e or Pathfinder. 
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Re: Dungeons & Dragons / PNP games thread: The Barren Snowflake Wastes
« Reply #7066 on: August 14, 2019, 10:41:51 pm »

Which would have compelling reasons to learn MageHand... (lacking hands of their own..)
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Re: Dungeons & Dragons / PNP games thread: The Barren Snowflake Wastes
« Reply #7067 on: August 14, 2019, 10:44:40 pm »

Just use Wish to cast standard spells with parameters like that removed and destroy the whole prime material in short order.
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Re: Dungeons & Dragons / PNP games thread: The Barren Snowflake Wastes
« Reply #7068 on: August 14, 2019, 10:53:10 pm »

Just use Wish to cast standard spells with parameters like that removed and destroy the whole prime material in short order.

Mm, Wish would be a seriously pricey thing to blow on a one-time-use modified spell what with that 33% chance of losing it forever when casting it for non-standard effects...

...using Wish to get a permanent upgrade to your Mage Hand, now. That would be interesting. Very much an "ask-your-DM" thing.
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Re: Dungeons & Dragons / PNP games thread: The Barren Snowflake Wastes
« Reply #7069 on: August 14, 2019, 10:53:17 pm »

For one thing, the SRD says a goblin is around 40-45 lbs and kobold around 35-45 lbs, on average.  You'll likely need a crash diet or a very young PC to accomplish it with a mage hand, even with the weight reduction.

Now, an awakened housecat, on the other hand...

EDIT: Oh, sorry, a 12lb total weight limit means it isn't D&D 3.5e or Pathfinder.

I just mis-remembered. Regardless, magehand has a pretty weak move force.

Quote from: From 5e rules
Mage Hand
Cantrip Conjuration

    Casting Time: 1 action
    Range: 30 feet
    Components: V S
    Duration: 1 minute
    Classes: Bard, Sorcerer, Warlock, Wizard
    A spectral, floating hand appears at a point you choose within range. The hand lasts for the duration or until you dismiss it as an action. The hand vanishes if it is ever more than 30 feet away from you or if you cast this spell again.
    You can use your action to control the hand. You can use the hand to manipulate an object, open an unlocked door or container, stow or retrieve an item from an open container, or pour the contents out of a vial. You can move the hand up to 30 feet each time you use it.
    The hand can’t attack, activate magic items, or carry more than 10 pounds.


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3e SRD:Mage Hand
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Mage Hand Transmutation
Level:    Brd 0, Sor/Wiz 0
Components:    V, S
Casting time:    1 action
Range:    Close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels)
Target:    Nonmagical, unattended object weighing up to 5 lb.
Duration:    Concentration
Saving Throw:    None
Spell Resistance:    No

The character points a finger at an object and can lift it and move it at will from a distance. As a move-equivalent action, the character can move the object up to 15 feet in any direction, though the spell ends if the distance between the character and the object ever exceeds the spell's range.


Using it to carry the mage around probably needs to also keep the S component; namely, pointing.  So, you need to think of some way to point-control the hand, with it behind you.
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Re: Dungeons & Dragons / PNP games thread: The Barren Snowflake Wastes
« Reply #7070 on: August 14, 2019, 11:01:47 pm »

you guys appear to have missed the part where I said to use the enlarge/reduce spell, one-eighth of 40 is 5 pounds

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Re: Dungeons & Dragons / PNP games thread: The Barren Snowflake Wastes
« Reply #7071 on: August 14, 2019, 11:03:08 pm »

Again, your mage will have to be naked.  (You are not counting the weight of their pack, or their clothes/weapon)

Again, S component needs one hand pointed at the mage hand to control it. That also limits what spells you can cast. Some need both hands.
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« Reply #7072 on: August 14, 2019, 11:04:48 pm »

I missed your first post on the subject wierd, sorry bout that

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Re: Dungeons & Dragons / PNP games thread: The Barren Snowflake Wastes
« Reply #7073 on: August 14, 2019, 11:12:07 pm »

Would a person even be an "unattended object".
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« Reply #7074 on: August 14, 2019, 11:13:16 pm »

Also 5e says it only lasts 1 minute.  Better be quick on recasting it!

and is a wizard really nonmagical?
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« Reply #7075 on: August 14, 2019, 11:18:59 pm »

well a round is 6 seconds long.... meaning you get 10 rounds of it before falling, and I would say yes a person is unattended after all people talk about leaving children unattended all the time

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« Reply #7076 on: August 14, 2019, 11:25:25 pm »

NM/ saw it was homebrew.
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Re: Dungeons & Dragons / PNP games thread: The Barren Snowflake Wastes
« Reply #7077 on: August 15, 2019, 09:06:38 am »

Enlarge/Reduce also only lasts a minute, so you're actually only getting 9 rounds of it.

You also need to use your action to move the mage hand around, so moving around and attacking isn't really something you can do at the same time.

Honestly, you're better off just casting fly on yourself.
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Re: Dungeons & Dragons / PNP games thread: The Barren Snowflake Wastes
« Reply #7078 on: August 15, 2019, 09:20:36 am »

From my recollection the best small race flight shenanigans are reduced gnomes/halflings/kobolds being carried by familiars like imps, and g/h/f rangers riding their pterodactyl companion.
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« Reply #7079 on: August 15, 2019, 09:25:45 am »

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