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[Kadzar]

Also 5e says it only lasts 1 minute.  Better be quick on recasting it!

and is a wizard really nonmagical?

That doesn't really matter unless you want the hand to activate you, which sounds like something you probably shouldn't be doing in public anyway.

[pikachu17]

Again, S component needs one hand pointed at the mage hand to control it. That also limits what spells you can cast. Some need both hands.

Except controlling the hand does not take an S component. Only casting the spell requires an S component.
Also, a spell requiring an S component does not require you to have not casted an S component spell on the same turn, so I don't see what your problem is. Just point at where the mage hand goes, then cast the S component spell on the same turn.

Also, it is worth noting an hawk can carry up to 75 pounds of stuff at FC (at full capacity), and still move 80 feet in a round without an any action to control it.
An imp can carry 90 pounds, but only move 40 feet at FC. Also, it can stay invisible.
A pseudodragon is the best of both worlds with 90 pounds and move 80 feet at FC, however it can't stay invisible.
Sidenote: A warlock can have a celestial or fey imp, or a fiend sprite.

[wierd]

this is getting into rule lawyering..

But, take for instance, burning hands.  You hold your hand out, and flames shoot out while you concentrate.  By your thinking, one could cast the spell and keep concentrating, while doing other things with their hands.

In this case, you point at what you want the hand to interact with while you concentrate.

In more general (outside of DnD) magical practice, this is how a magical connection is created through a focus; The act of pointing directs the will-intent of the practitioner, and is required to create and sustain the link between that object and the practitioner.

The authors of the spellbook wanted to simplify this and abstract it away as much as possible.  It would be up to the GM to decide how they want to treat the S component's requirement.

[pikachu17]

Okay. In your example. First someone casts the spell by holding their hands out. Flames shoot out. Then they have cast the spell and now can do anything else they want to do with their hands. You don't have to spend the whole turn casting the spell. You only spend an action. As the rules say, you use the Somatic component while casting the spell. Then anything else you do on your turn is after you have already done everything involved with spell casting. Its not rules-lawyering, its how it works. If the GM wants to make it more involved, that's fine, they're the GM, but that isn't how it is meant to work vanilla.
 In addition, controlling the hand does not require S component, only casting the spell does. It says nothing about having to move your own hand to control it, or point at where you want to control it, or anything like that. It doesn't even say to point at where you want the Mage Hand to appear when you cast it. Nothing about the spell says anything about pointing.
 What do you mean by keep concentrating, neither Burning Hands nor Mage Hand are concentration spells?
I'm pretty sure you are allowed to cast a cantrip and bonus action spell even if they both have S components.

Or are you saying you're rules-lawyering? In which case, I don't agree, nothing you're saying last post is in the rules.


Tangeant: If your holy symbol is on your shield, apparently you can use both Material and Somatic components with that shield, but Somatic spells without Material components need an empty hand. Weird.

[wierd]

3e SRD:Mage Hand
This material is published under the OGL
Mage Hand Transmutation
Level:    Brd 0, Sor/Wiz 0
Components:    V, S
Casting time:    1 action
Range:    Close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels)
Target:    Nonmagical, unattended object weighing up to 5 lb.
Duration:    Concentration
Saving Throw:    None
Spell Resistance:    No

The character points a finger at an object and can lift it and move it at will from a distance. As a move-equivalent action, the character can move the object up to 15 feet in any direction, though the spell ends if the distance between the character and the object ever exceeds the spell's range.

Yes it is, at least for 3E.  they made it 1min in 5E. 

[pikachu17]

Sorry. I was talking about 5e. I suppose we're just talking around each other.

[wierd]

to be fair, they never specified which version they are playing.

[pikachu17]

I would assume 5e since he said Enlarge/Reduce, which I'm pretty sure is an exclusively 5e spell.

[wierd]

Reduce Person
Transmutation
Level:   Sor/Wiz 1
Components:   V, S, M
Casting Time:   1 round
Range:   Close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels)
Target:   One humanoid creature
Duration:   1 min./level (D)
Saving Throw:   Fortitude negates
Spell Resistance:   Yes
This spell causes instant diminution of a humanoid creature, halving its height, length, and width and dividing its weight by 8. This decrease changes the creature’s size category to the next smaller one. The target gains a +2 size bonus to Dexterity, a -2 size penalty to Strength (to a minimum of 1), and a +1 bonus on attack rolls and AC due to its reduced size.

A Small humanoid creature whose size decreases to Tiny has a space of 2½ feet and a natural reach of 0 feet (meaning that it must enter an opponent’s square to attack). A Large humanoid creature whose size decreases to Medium has a space of 5 feet and a natural reach of 5 feet. This spell doesn’t change the target’s speed.

All equipment worn or carried by a creature is similarly reduced by the spell.

Melee and projectile weapons deal less damage. Other magical properties are not affected by this spell. Any reduced item that leaves the reduced creature’s possession (including a projectile or thrown weapon) instantly returns to its normal size. This means that thrown weapons deal their normal damage (projectiles deal damage based on the size of the weapon that fired them).

Multiple magical effects that reduce size do not stack.

Reduce person counters and dispels enlarge person.

Reduce person can be made permanent with a permanency spell.

Material Component
A pinch of powdered iron.

It exists in the 3.x game. Not exclusive to 5e.

[pikachu17]

But it is not called Enlarge/Reduce, which suggests Scourge was talking about 5e. Otherwise he would instead call it Reduce Person or something like that.

[wierd]

picky picky.

We should just ask, instead of bickering like washerwomen.

[pikachu17]

Hey, scourge728, were you talking about 5e when you mentioned casting enlarge/reduce on a gnome?

[Mephisto]

Didn't this discussion already happen... oh, a month or two ago?

[wierd]

Not exactly--

I mentioned it (mage hand) as a potentially fun thing to combine with immovable rod, and things got silly from there.

this is a different kind of hi-jinx with mage hand.

[pikachu17]

Didn't this discussion already happen... oh, a month or two ago?

Longer than two months, but yeah, we've discussed Mage Hand and Enlarge/Reduce before.