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Re: Dungeons & Dragons / PNP games thread: The Barren Snowflake Wastes
« Reply #7335 on: October 17, 2019, 08:40:56 am »

Why do RPG systems seem to attract the worst racists/sexists/homophobes and full-on nazis as leaders?

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Re: Dungeons & Dragons / PNP games thread: The Barren Snowflake Wastes
« Reply #7336 on: October 17, 2019, 08:43:24 am »

They do?
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Re: Dungeons & Dragons / PNP games thread: The Barren Snowflake Wastes
« Reply #7337 on: October 17, 2019, 08:44:23 am »

It's fantasy fulfillment. That can either be a positive place for us to be imaginative, expressive, and put ourselves in others shoes, or it can be a place where those born strong rule and you can be openly racist because you're roleplaying.

Oh wait do you mean in-fiction?

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« Reply #7338 on: October 17, 2019, 09:01:24 am »

It's fantasy fulfillment. That can either be a positive place for us to be imaginative, expressive, and put ourselves in others shoes, or it can be a place where those born strong rule and you can be openly racist because you're roleplaying.

Oh wait do you mean in-fiction?

I'm sure it's in the fiction as well, but the people who run the companies (or sub-companies) that produce RPGs all seem to be in it to push alt-right stuff.

Your guess as to why could be correct.
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« Reply #7339 on: October 17, 2019, 09:13:34 am »

And then there are people like Schwalb who, if you can get past the copious amounts of gross-out potty humor, has produced an adventure all about "taking care of" some MRA incels.

Most of the big RPG people are old white dudes, with all that that entails. Some are cool old white dudes.
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Re: Dungeons & Dragons / PNP games thread: The Barren Snowflake Wastes
« Reply #7340 on: October 17, 2019, 09:25:34 am »

That sucks. I've found the community was usually pretty progressive, mostly consisting of people who couldn't find social groups otherwise, or who benefited from the safe area of expression that roleplay presents.

But over the last five years or so, I've seen some of those same people find more comfort in incel groups and blaming their personal issues on political correctness or the broad category of women.

This is a minority in the groups I was a part of, but still an occurance that was notable.

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Re: Dungeons & Dragons / PNP games thread: The Barren Snowflake Wastes
« Reply #7341 on: October 17, 2019, 11:25:51 am »

I've never had issues with people like that in any of my games. 

An adventure about metaphorical incels sounds godawful.  This is what I mean when I say I don't like politics in my games.  There are ways to do timeless political themes in fiction, but a lot of this shit is so reactionary it's basically disposable.  Nobody will remember something like that in ten years.
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« Reply #7342 on: October 17, 2019, 11:59:41 am »

Nobody will remember something like that in ten years.

I mean, can you remember the name of every adventure you played ten years ago? I'd argue that adventures in and of themselves are disposable. Adventures being carried forward into new editions or other game systems are a rarity.
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Re: Dungeons & Dragons / PNP games thread: The Barren Snowflake Wastes
« Reply #7343 on: October 17, 2019, 12:08:07 pm »

So, why are bardbarians somewhat common? I would think combining a full spellcaster with someone who can't cast spells in battle would be a poor idea.
At least a paladin/barbarian can still smite.
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« Reply #7344 on: October 17, 2019, 12:15:50 pm »

Barbarians can still use all the non-spellcasting features of bards while raging, primarily bardic inspiration which can be used to good effect in melee by the more combat oriented bards, and a lot of spells on the Bard list are better used out of combat anyway.

Despite being a full caster in 5e Bard is the least full castery of the spellcasters.
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Re: Dungeons & Dragons / PNP games thread: The Barren Snowflake Wastes
« Reply #7345 on: October 17, 2019, 12:21:07 pm »

You also don't have to rage as a barbarian in combat, it just helps you tank damage, and a few other things depending on your subclass. So you can still stay at the back and cast stuff for a few turns if you don't want to rage.
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Re: Dungeons & Dragons / PNP games thread: The Barren Snowflake Wastes
« Reply #7346 on: October 17, 2019, 12:22:29 pm »

Despite being a full caster in 5e Bard is the least full castery of the spellcasters.
I would argue that Paladin and Eldritch Knight are less full castery, but I think I get what you actually mean.
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Re: Dungeons & Dragons / PNP games thread: The Barren Snowflake Wastes
« Reply #7347 on: October 17, 2019, 01:14:30 pm »

Despite being a full caster in 5e Bard is the least full castery of the spellcasters.
I would argue that Paladin and Eldritch Knight are less full castery, but I think I get what you actually mean.
I'd call that an easy argument because neither paladins or eldritch knights are full casters at all
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Re: Dungeons & Dragons / PNP games thread: The Barren Snowflake Wastes
« Reply #7348 on: October 17, 2019, 01:16:39 pm »

Despite being a full caster in 5e Bard is the least full castery of the spellcasters.
I would argue that Paladin and Eldritch Knight are less full castery, but I think I get what you actually mean.
I'd call that an easy argument because neither paladins or eldritch knights are full casters at all
He didn't say they were the least full castery of the full casters. But we're just quibbling over terminology here, the point is his point makes sense to me.

I would argue that Paladin(2nd level min) and Warlock are pretty decent Barbarian multiclasses as well.
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Barbladin? Palarian? Wararian? Barblock?
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« Reply #7349 on: October 17, 2019, 01:36:44 pm »

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