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Re: Dungeons & Dragons / PNP games thread: The Barren Snowflake Wastes
« Reply #6615 on: February 27, 2019, 09:44:55 pm »

Crikey. No. Hard pass, no.

But that's 10 cents per page!
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« Reply #6616 on: February 28, 2019, 12:53:45 am »

Crikey. No. Hard pass, no.

But that's 10 cents per page!
More pages doesn't necessarily mean more value, it typically just means worse editing. Especially if that's for the core system.

And since it's Monte Cook, it'll somehow manage to be bizarre without being interesting.
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« Reply #6617 on: February 28, 2019, 04:53:38 am »

It claims to be a roleplaying game of surreal fantasy, but the most surreal thing about it is the price. The description just seems kind of vague and unclear, with lots of goofy-sounding terms and nothing to really draw you in deeper. Is there a novel or two included in those thousand pages? I canít imagine there being enough interesting content for all that.
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Re: Dungeons & Dragons / PNP games thread: The Barren Snowflake Wastes
« Reply #6618 on: February 28, 2019, 05:53:45 am »

Skimmed the pictures.

Tentacles. Tentacles everywhere. Lady's umbrella? It's got tentacles. Hedge maze? Surprise: it's full of tentacles. Ghost? Tentacle feet. Dude sitting in a chair? You think it's tentacles, but actually it's snakes! Gotcha!

Bet there's a way to play a character that's composed of a statistically improbable percentage of tentacles.

Hey, what do tentacles and companies that charge $99 for PDFs have in common?

They've both got suckers.
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« Reply #6619 on: February 28, 2019, 06:35:03 am »

And since it's Monte Cook, it'll somehow manage to be bizarre without being interesting.

Having read the preview, that's more or less what we've got: it just throws weirdness at you until you go numb to it, then brags about how cool and surreal it is, but it never quite hits the mark because there's nothing normal to contrast it with. It's all so alien that it becomes boring -- and that's a huge problem in an RPG, because it means the players are deprived of common reference points to figure out what they can do in the game.

See, if you were to sit down at my table and I handed you a sheet and said "You're playing an archer. There's a dragon attacking the town you're in. What do you do?" you have at least some existing sense of what you can do; there's buildings to take cover in, the thing flies and breathes fire, and your best bet for fighting it is probably with a bow. It may not be clear mechanically how to take cover or draw a bow, but there's at least a clear starting point for what you might want to do in the narrative. If, on the other hand, I tell you you're playing a vislae who's had their vertula kada misaligned from their Crux Qualia by the !8'^_^'@#-287 [a dozen other new terms] you're going to need explanations of all of those before you can figure out if that's even good or bad, let alone what to do about it. That's going to suck up time like crazy, and the explanations here only raise more questions -- which sounds great, but it's still just me talking. There's no gameplay yet.

The up-front cost of playing this thing would be untenable in reading time even if it were free.

EDIT: Incidentally, the physical version costs $252. It has a statue in it. I have no earthly idea who needs 30 pounds of stuff to play an RPG. I also don't want to know who needs to spend $216 more to have a campaign written for them (well, "customized" for them.)
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Re: Dungeons & Dragons / PNP games thread: The Barren Snowflake Wastes
« Reply #6620 on: February 28, 2019, 02:08:42 pm »

Hey, in a world where there are goblins, elves, dwarves, and kobolds, but humans don't exist, what words would they use instead of "humanoid", "humane", Etc?
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Re: Dungeons & Dragons / PNP games thread: The Barren Snowflake Wastes
« Reply #6621 on: February 28, 2019, 02:34:07 pm »

Hey, in a world where there are goblins, elves, dwarves, and kobolds, but humans don't exist, what words would they use instead of "humanoid", "humane", Etc?

[race doing the classifying]oid, presumably. Elfoid, dwarfoid, etc.
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Re: Dungeons & Dragons / PNP games thread: The Barren Snowflake Wastes
« Reply #6622 on: February 28, 2019, 02:37:11 pm »

Or just say fuck it and use humanoid.
You're not playing the game in the same language as the characters are supposed to be speaking anyways, so you may as well use words you're familiar with.
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Re: Dungeons & Dragons / PNP games thread: The Barren Snowflake Wastes
« Reply #6623 on: February 28, 2019, 02:55:52 pm »

Go up a taxonomic rank and call them primatoids? Or if you want a less scientific word for your fantasy setting inhabitants to use, maybe something like "thinking beings" or even just "folk"?

Edit: further ideas: "two-leggers", "ones who speak".
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Re: Dungeons & Dragons / PNP games thread: The Barren Snowflake Wastes
« Reply #6624 on: February 28, 2019, 03:52:05 pm »

Bipeds, if you wanna use something dumb and nonspecific. Or you could pull a Diogenes and call them plucked chickens.

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Re: Dungeons & Dragons / PNP games thread: The Barren Snowflake Wastes
« Reply #6625 on: February 28, 2019, 04:07:34 pm »

Folk or just people would be the obvious choices.  If you want to get sophisticated, sapients or sophonts are words you could use.
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Re: Dungeons & Dragons / PNP games thread: The Barren Snowflake Wastes
« Reply #6626 on: February 28, 2019, 04:14:56 pm »

Forbidden Lands calls most humanoids "kin". Works as well as anything else.

Note that, while kin means family, this does not necessarily mean that the races get along like they're related. Unless your family is particularly prone to violence, I suppose.
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Re: Dungeons & Dragons / PNP games thread: The Barren Snowflake Wastes
« Reply #6627 on: February 28, 2019, 04:15:43 pm »

Note that, while kin means family, this does not necessarily mean that the races get along like they're related. Unless your family is particularly prone to violence, I suppose.
Well, I mean... Whose isn't?

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Re: Dungeons & Dragons / PNP games thread: The Barren Snowflake Wastes
« Reply #6628 on: February 28, 2019, 04:18:06 pm »

I favor 'folk' as well as a term for all intelligent species. It sounds natural in a fantasy setting, unlike more sciencey words like 'sapients'. Kin (and Pillars of Eternity's 'kith') are also fair options. I wouldn't worry about the use of humanoid, humane and so forth too much, though - you can always assume that the characters are actually using some term in their own language that's just translated into ours.
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« Reply #6629 on: February 28, 2019, 06:14:34 pm »

Being a long-term Star Trek watcher, I've long ago made my peace with the term 'humanoid,' no matter how speciest it might be. Since I'm a human, and the source material was written by a (presumably) human, I have zero fucks to give about any slight against non-humanoid labeling.
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