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Re: Dungeons & Dragons / PNP games thread: The Barren Snowflake Wastes
« Reply #8775 on: November 28, 2021, 05:49:32 pm »

Update! I got up today to find a new message in the discord that the DM had apparently put out in the middle of the night. This message explained the basic concept of the one-shot, and informed us that we were all hired in via the Adventurer Guild to delve down into uncontrolled territory in order to recover treasure and bounties.

This would have been useful information to know before I made a character who's a heavily disturbed escaped slave with no motivation that would make sense in that scenario.

I tried airing a couple ideas of tie-ins that might work better for explaining why my character would be there, at which point I was informed that "Backstory doesn't matter this time, it's just a straight dungeon crawl with little room for RP".


...okay, that definitely would have been useful knowledge to have earlier than the day before the session, especially given that I've already made a damn character and everything leading up to this has been him talking about the importance of the story and how certain things will be done in order to keep the narrative and its flow going smoothly, giving me the (apparently false) impression that story and RP would have some amount of importance here.


Strongly considering swapping characters last minute to the incredibly stupid crit build I've been toying with. Which, given his other house rule of "The extra damage dice for a critical hit are not rolled, but simply give their max value" would easily be over 80+ damage on a crit. He'd need that plot armor he's told us he'll be using on certain "narrative-important nemeses".

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Re: Dungeons & Dragons / PNP games thread: The Barren Snowflake Wastes
« Reply #8776 on: November 28, 2021, 06:24:15 pm »

Hey, if it's just a dungeon crawl, may as well use some crazy build.
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Re: Dungeons & Dragons / PNP games thread: The Barren Snowflake Wastes
« Reply #8777 on: November 30, 2021, 04:54:46 am »

"Know your character well", it was said.

"I don't want any long delays breaking up combat as you look stuff up", it was said.


The very first turn, and our loud player with the corrective memory ground everything to a standstill with his complete lack of understanding regarding his character, the houserules of the game, and basic addition. Surprising absolutely no one.

Even after a long guided talk through his Paladin/Hexlock mechanics and how they work together, he still doesn't understand how half the character works and is therefore playing it at vastly reduced capacity (he thinks Eldritch Smite adds a single 1d8, regardless of slot level, and believes that he can't use Divine Smite anymore since he has "swapped it out for" Eldritch). At this point though, we've just kind of quietly agreed to go along with it in order to keep the game moving.

Also I have a better command of what his +tohit and save DCs are than he does. So there were multiple occasions where he was asked to provide one or the other, started scrolling through his character sheet, and I just answered.


It was still an interesting session, certainly! I put in the last hit on a stone golem by slapping it with a weapon that cannot damage it, an umber hulk landed a crit on me (remember the house rule about treating bonus crit dice as though they rolled max? Yeah) that ended up dealing a total of 3 damage, and said hulk ended up confusing me so I wound up taking a 31hp chunk out of Mr. Loudmouth who was rolling around on the floor being effective at the time.

Me: "I'm assuming a 27 hits?"

Him: "I'll use my reaction to cast Shield!"

Other player: "...you have 20 AC"

Him: "Yeah, and now I cast Shield!"

Other player: "Shield only gives 5 AC, that's 25 total. He still hits"

Him: "Whuh...uh?"

DM: "Well, now you've spent a slot on learning about how your spells work. Moving on"


The session wrapped up with me dangling over a precipice in the loving arms of a roper, the conga line of giant spiders coming into view, the drow party mostly vanished into the shadows (except the mage, who is currently snoozing on some minecart tracks), and what looked kinda like an ankheg coming out of the ceiling. Also the floor mimic woke up.

Now, RAW, I could actually just wriggle out from the roper and survive the plunge easily, because 5e. But the DM doesn't really like the idea of fall damage capping out at 20d6, and I'm inclined to agree :P

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Re: Dungeons & Dragons / PNP games thread: The Barren Snowflake Wastes
« Reply #8778 on: November 30, 2021, 06:04:52 am »

It tickles my funny bone when I think of the silly things you could pull off with RAW. Things like vertical distances not mattering; a roper that is 5ft away from you horizontally but 1,000,000,000,000 ft away from you vertically is perfectly fine in pulling you across the galaxy

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« Reply #8779 on: November 30, 2021, 08:43:34 am »

, and believes that he can't use Divine Smite anymore since he has "swapped it out for" Eldritch).

...what?
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Re: Dungeons & Dragons / PNP games thread: The Barren Snowflake Wastes
« Reply #8780 on: November 30, 2021, 09:05:36 am »

It tickles my funny bone when I think of the silly things you could pull off with RAW. Things like vertical distances not mattering; a roper that is 5ft away from you horizontally but 1,000,000,000,000 ft away from you vertically is perfectly fine in pulling you across the galaxy
Well that's not really RAW. Its just diagonals that don't matter RAW.
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Re: Dungeons & Dragons / PNP games thread: The Barren Snowflake Wastes
« Reply #8781 on: November 30, 2021, 12:29:45 pm »

I don't trust anybody who uses the term RAW, they're always gonna try to pull some goofy bullshit that doesn't even work by their own standards
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Re: Dungeons & Dragons / PNP games thread: The Barren Snowflake Wastes
« Reply #8782 on: November 30, 2021, 12:43:07 pm »

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« Reply #8783 on: November 30, 2021, 12:51:12 pm »

, and believes that he can't use Divine Smite anymore since he has "swapped it out for" Eldritch).

...what?

Yeah, it could be he's just making a conscious decision and is expressing it in a very odd way, but he keeps saying he's "Swapped out" his divine smite with eldritch smite. And certainly, he has yet to use a normal smite a single time, instead opting to spend a pact slot on adding +1d8 to his attack.

Frankly, it would not surprise me in the slightest if he thinks he has somehow upgraded/exchanged his paladin's smite with the warlock's invocation, he is very easily confused by... Most things.

Including the fact that he seems to think he rolls an extra +1d4 on damage rolls, because he's a Hexblade. He also hasn't used his Hexblade's curse yet, as I don't think it's really occurred to him yet that it isn't a passive effect (despite having been told this multiple times during the session).


I don't trust anybody who uses the term RAW, they're always gonna try to pull some goofy bullshit that doesn't even work by their own standards

Or we're trying to acknowledge that the rules as they are presented in the book are occasionally kind of stupid, and so try to work off of a more sensible interpretation of what the rule is supposed to do rather than how it's specifically written.

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Re: Dungeons & Dragons / PNP games thread: The Barren Snowflake Wastes
« Reply #8784 on: December 01, 2021, 03:36:32 am »

Yeah, it could be he's just making a conscious decision and is expressing it in a very odd way, but he keeps saying he's "Swapped out" his divine smite with eldritch smite. And certainly, he has yet to use a normal smite a single time, instead opting to spend a pact slot on adding +1d8 to his attack.

Frankly, it would not surprise me in the slightest if he thinks he has somehow upgraded/exchanged his paladin's smite with the warlock's invocation, he is very easily confused by... Most things.
While this sounds like he's just confused himself, I think you could steal this for another character who swaps out their patron for their pact master. Thematically betraying their deity

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Re: Dungeons & Dragons / PNP games thread: The Barren Snowflake Wastes
« Reply #8785 on: December 01, 2021, 10:22:52 am »

A character idea I've thought about doing before is a Celestial Warlock with Eldritch Smite who wanted to be a paladin but was very confused about how to actually become one.
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« Reply #8786 on: December 25, 2021, 06:23:39 pm »

I'm thinking of putting together a "backup character" for the main campaign I'm in, both as a potential replacement should my primary dude die (although I'm not particularly worried about that happening) and as just a swap-in should I feel like playing something else.

While working out potential concepts for that, I bumped into a couple gimmicks that could be interesting to muck around with.

First up is a front-line Fathomlock, primarily using blade ward and the guardian coil damage reduction to make the most out of agathys. Of course, in order to be much of a tank you need to provide some amount of threat, and while spending each turn on blade ward does crimp damage output by quite a bit, cloak of flies can provide some consistent damage along with a little bit of slapping from the tentacle. War caster can also let you do a little something if you haven't already used your reaction on damage reduction (this combines fairly well with toll the dead, since they'll automatically take poison damage at the start of their turn, ensuring you get to use the better damage dice). An interesting combo, if perhaps a bit lackluster right at the 7-9 range where we're going to be for a while. (Celestilock with flaming sphere could dish out more damage, and healing is always nice, but it gets a little bit messy).

Next is the delightful stupidity of a Hexsinger. 2 Hexlock/6+ Bladesinger, for the only slightly MAD combo of consistently getting off 4 attacks per round at no resource cost (except ammo). I was kinda hoping to do something a bit more up-front and tanky, given that the team as it stands could really benefit from that, but this is definitely entertaining.


Could also just go Ancestral Barb with a polearm, and make enemies very sad. ...barblock could potentially be stanky janky combo, with built-in resistance and 2d6 damage reduction reaction if going that route. Taking a buff round for Agathys+rage would be risky though, as unless you do some weird shit like provoking an AoO and having it land, your rage would end immediately.

Alternatively-alternatively, 2-3 Barb/6+ Genielock. Agathys would be less useful, thanks to the introduction of flight, but going for a marid patron would give you blur for handily canceling out the advantage ranged attackers would otherwise have against your reckless flying ass. Less of a tank, really, but definitely quite the sight.

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« Reply #8787 on: December 27, 2021, 10:27:52 am »

Gotten an idea for an urban game oriented D&D PC.

Human Mastermind Rogue with either a 2 level dip into Shepherd Druid, or more ideally the Eldritch Adept feat for the Beast Speech invocation, and the Noble (Knight) background with the two free hirelings being a manservant and a maid. Strength and Con as dump stats in favour of solid Dex and mental stats, especially Wis and Cha. Skills likewise being oriented towards animal handling, being insightful and persuasive.

The character is an elderly widow, well off but largely ousted from the social circles a woman of her standing would normally be in as a result of her relatives pushing her out of the social heirarchy following the death of her husband, who depending on time period was either a noble, a wealthy guild member, or an industrialist. As a result she is rather bitter towards her ostensible peers, finding comfort in the company of urban vermin like pidgeons, rats and stray cats/dogs, and helping the lower classes in struggles against the wealthy because, 'they may be bastards, but at least they're honest about being bastards.'

Has a lot of cynical wisdom, like saying that a young woman should always have a knife hidden in their skirt and so on.

In combat mostly takes the Help action, providing Advantage to other characters, but will open a fight with a knife to the gut if an opponent is standing near her. Befriends various forms of vermin and asks them to do favours for her like stealing keys, spying, eating bodies, distracting guards and so on. Her motivation for doing things is largely spite, but also a desire to help people who are genuinely decent people when they fall afoul of people who are assholes like her.
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« Reply #8788 on: December 27, 2021, 05:11:04 pm »

Could potentially go a few levels into some flavor of Warlock and pick up not only Beast Speech but also Pact of the Chain for a more permanent animal buddy who can even have an easier time doing things on their own thanks to invocations and the pact's quirks. If that's a direction you'd be interested in going.

Archfey patron's Fey Presence can let you actively charm urban critters so they'll actually listen to you when you talk beastily to them. Otherwise not a lot of obvious thematic patron choices, if you even want to acknowledge the patron.

Depending on how bitter and cynical she is about the upper classes and the status quo, could potentially explain "teaming up" with a patron of some sort to ruffle a few feathers.

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« Reply #8789 on: December 30, 2021, 07:07:34 pm »

Could potentially go a few levels into some flavor of Warlock and pick up not only Beast Speech but also Pact of the Chain for a more permanent animal buddy who can even have an easier time doing things on their own thanks to invocations and the pact's quirks. If that's a direction you'd be interested in going.

Archfey patron's Fey Presence can let you actively charm urban critters so they'll actually listen to you when you talk beastily to them. Otherwise not a lot of obvious thematic patron choices, if you even want to acknowledge the patron.

Depending on how bitter and cynical she is about the upper classes and the status quo, could potentially explain "teaming up" with a patron of some sort to ruffle a few feathers.

My preference is to minimise magical abilities as much as possible for the concept, as she's essentially supposed to be an old woman who isn't special except for her fondness for the vermin of the city and being decently knowledgeable, manipulative and knowing that a knife in the gut works best when twisted. Class features are much more concept agnostic than spellcasting is.

If speaking with animals was possible as an all the time ability without any magic (Not counting gnomes or firbolgs) it would be ideal, but D&D was very averse to giving people always on minor magic-like effects until recently for some reason.



On another note, I have a weird idea for an NPC/nation. A Hill Giant queen, who rules her clan by virtue of enormous girth and beauty (which to hill giants means more girth) and rules several other races of monstrous humanoids and giants by virtue of political marriage to form a small kingdom.

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