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Albedo

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Re: Workshop Quantity Curiosity
« Reply #15 on: May 29, 2015, 03:25:06 pm »

  • 2 Magma Glass Furnace

The glass furnace is always making blocks.  Why?  Because I like green blocks, that's why.

I have to question whether one "Collect Sand" job order can keep up with the "full time" production of the other Glass Furnace. 
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Re: Workshop Quantity Curiosity
« Reply #16 on: May 29, 2015, 03:43:43 pm »

  • 2 Magma Glass Furnace

The glass furnace is always making blocks.  Why?  Because I like green blocks, that's why.

I have to question whether one "Collect Sand" job order can keep up with the "full time" production of the other Glass Furnace.
Depends how close the sand is I suppose
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Re: Workshop Quantity Curiosity
« Reply #17 on: May 29, 2015, 11:31:14 pm »

  • 2 Magma Glass Furnace

The glass furnace is always making blocks.  Why?  Because I like green blocks, that's why.

I have to question whether one "Collect Sand" job order can keep up with the "full time" production of the other Glass Furnace.
I tend to make my sand-collection glass furnace built directly adjacent to the sand. It's often the magma glass furnace that can't catch up because of the logistical difficulty of getting sand to actual work furnace.  I use a channel dug down to a stockpile near the glass furnace with short minecart stop to dump it down directly to the magma furnace floor, but that still depends somewhat on haulers still paying attention.  With legendary glass blowers, you can make a TON of glass things very, very quickly that way. 
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Re: Workshop Quantity Curiosity
« Reply #18 on: May 30, 2015, 01:29:38 pm »

I have to question whether one "Collect Sand" job order can keep up with the "full time" production of the other Glass Furnace.

First, I load 8 units of magma into 4 magma safe minecarts.  I then dig one 1x1 hole right next to sand for each building, at the appropriate position to be blocked by the magma glass furnace's impassable tile.  Two QSP's and a few minecart assignment switches later, and you have two tiles with 4/7 magma ready to power your glass industry.

As for operation, I have a dedicated "Glassier" profession in Dwarf Therapist, which only have item hauling and glassmaking enabled.  Each magma glass furnace is set to only one Glassier.  I then queue up one "Collect Sand" job, and set it to repeat.  I finally queue up one "Insert glass object I need tons of, like blocks or tubes" and set THAT to repeat.

End result is the glassier dwarf will bag their own sand from 2 tiles away from the furnace, then grab it and make a glass object.  Very efficient (though not very quick), so long as you don't mind occasionally remembering that job you assigned 3 years ago and finding 800+ glass chairs.

I tend to make my sand-collection glass furnace built directly adjacent to the sand. It's often the magma glass furnace that can't catch up because of the logistical difficulty of getting sand to actual work furnace.  I use a channel dug down to a stockpile near the glass furnace with short minecart stop to dump it down directly to the magma furnace floor, but that still depends somewhat on haulers still paying attention.  With legendary glass blowers, you can make a TON of glass things very, very quickly that way. 

I'm a bit confused.  Why do the sand-collection glass furnaces have to be close to the sand?  I thought dwarves, when they pick up the job to collect sand, grab the nearest bag, go collect the sand, then either drop the bag there or take it to the sand bag stockpile. 
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Re: Workshop Quantity Curiosity
« Reply #19 on: May 30, 2015, 02:11:29 pm »

Lately I've been doing a lot of low-population/generational forts, so I tend to go for a layout something like this...

-2 stills and 2 kitchens
-2 farmer's workshops, one by the food prep area and the other by the bone stockpile (for spinning thread)
-1 each of loom/clothier/dyer/leatherworks
-2 or 3 butcher's shops, 3 or 4 tanner's shops (I like to have an extra tanner's shop)
-2 carpenter's shops, 2 mason's shops
-as many as 6 craft workshops (2 by the bone stockpile, 2 near my other item stockpiles, 2 in the food prep area for when I decide to make cloth/leather crafts)
-2 jeweler's shops
-2 of each kind of furnace/forge (sometimes 4 kilns or glass furnaces) and 2 asheries
-1 mechanic's shop
-1 soap maker
-2 querns and 2 screw presses (I don't use millstones)

...general rule of thumb for me is: 1 of any shop that I won't use very often, at least 2 of any shop that I'll use a lot, and in the case of looms and clothiers and leatherworks and stuff... I use them a lot, but I don't really "mass-produce" most of the time.

It's a very conservative playstyle, I know. And probably why I'm not any better at the game.
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Re: Workshop Quantity Curiosity
« Reply #20 on: May 30, 2015, 02:20:22 pm »

I've got 2 Wood Burners, 4 Smelters, 3 Forges and 2 Craftdorf Workshops.

1 of anything else I need.
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Re: Workshop Quantity Curiosity
« Reply #21 on: May 30, 2015, 05:06:24 pm »

I'm a bit confused.  Why do the sand-collection glass furnaces have to be close to the sand?  I thought dwarves, when they pick up the job to collect sand, grab the nearest bag, go collect the sand, then either drop the bag there or take it to the sand bag stockpile.

They drop the bag off at the glass forge.  Hence, it's a short trip from sand zone to glass forge.  Putting the stockpile for bags right next to both makes it a shorter trip, still.  You'll need to have a return for the bags, though. 

Maybe next time, rather than just dropping bags down a chute, I send the cart down the chute, and have a bag/cart return on a loop.  Just using "guide" is simple enough if it's not that distant.  I've recently been finding I've been trying to be far too clever with my carts, and just setting stuff for "guide" is actually much more simple and useful than most people give it credit for. 
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Re: Workshop Quantity Curiosity
« Reply #22 on: May 31, 2015, 10:08:30 pm »

This seems like an awful lot of work for... no gain at all. Why do you break down workshops when not needed?

Because... it is fun and makes me smile. :)

Another fun thing it lets me do, if a dwarf goes into a Strange Mood, he or she just stands there until I construct the necessary workshop in the middle of the legendary dining hall. All the other dwarves are gathered around watching and partying. ;)
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Re: Workshop Quantity Curiosity
« Reply #23 on: June 01, 2015, 12:59:06 am »

Until your dorf starts screaming for shells in the middle of a desert.  He then snaps and starts strangling the nearest reveler.  Or maybe hes screaming for yarn, but you have no sheep and the caravan just left (and you didn't feel like buying any from it at the time).  Same difference, you risk a tantrum spiral cuz he killed everyone's two best buddies or you forced your axelord to kill her husband.  Its the main reason I keep all moodable workshops confined in their own little rooms with a door ready to be locked. 
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Re: Workshop Quantity Curiosity
« Reply #24 on: June 01, 2015, 06:06:48 am »

This seems like an awful lot of work for... no gain at all. Why do you break down workshops when not needed?

Because... it is fun and makes me smile. :)
Fair enough. :)
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« Reply #25 on: June 01, 2015, 11:55:58 am »

Take no. of times I neede 1 more workshop than I had + no. of times I couldn't find one of these workshops. It makes the fort look... interesting, with workshpos squirreled away where they have no right to be.
You should probably start appointing one of these:
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Manager
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Re: Workshop Quantity Curiosity
« Reply #26 on: June 01, 2015, 12:49:19 pm »

What are you talking about? I have a full-time mana...

*realization dawns*
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Re: Workshop Quantity Curiosity
« Reply #27 on: June 09, 2015, 02:03:03 am »

I once had about 12-16 masonry workshops going non-stop making rock blocks for a small megaproject in a community fort-I only had a year to do it in. 

I might get as many as 9 wood furnaces in my current fort, but I doubt I'll actually need more than 7.  (Steel armor for the whole fort is going to take up lots of carbon, especially if I insist on it being masterwork...)
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Re: Workshop Quantity Curiosity
« Reply #28 on: June 09, 2015, 12:55:57 pm »

My workshop count in a mature fort usually looks something like:

3+ of Smelter, Forge, Wood Furnace (if no coal).
2-3 each of Masonry, Craftsdwarf's, Farmer's, Glass Furnace (if I have both sand and magma).
2 each of Jewler's, Quern (if no millstone).
1-2 each of Mechanic's, Carpentry, Loom, Clothier's, Leatherworker's, Tanner's, Butcher's, Kitchen, Still, Jewler's, Screw Press.
1 each of Dyer's, Soapmaker's, Ashery, Fishery, Bowyer's, Wood Furnace (if map has coal).
0-1 Kiln, Millstone

Smelters, forges, kilns, and glass furnaces can be standard or magma versions, depending on my needs and degree of access to magma. Additional workshops for special needs (such as dedicated block-building workshops for megaprojects, or craftsdwarf's shops dedicated to strand extraction) are built on an as-needed basis, and are usually removed once the need for which they were constructed is past.
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Re: Workshop Quantity Curiosity
« Reply #29 on: June 09, 2015, 01:42:10 pm »

My current fort

9 Magma Smelters
12 Magma Forges
3 Magma Glass
16 Mason
2 Craftsdwarf
1 Mechanic
1 Still
1 Kitchen
1 Soap making
2 Carpenter
1 Leatherworker
1 Farmer's Workshop
1 Butcher
1 Tanner
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