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Re: Stellaris: Paradox Interactive IN SPACE
« Reply #7860 on: February 26, 2019, 08:26:57 pm »

I'm playing Rogue Caretakers in the 2.2.5 beta release, and it's going well.  Apparently they made several buffs to machine empires, heh.  I was mostly relieved that my pops are actually taking the amenities-producing jobs, unlike in my earlier hive run.  That shows up in the patch notes:

Quote from: 2.2.5 beta
* The Repugnant/Uncanny trait now has less of an effect on pops avoiding amenity producing jobs
* Maintenance drone job priority now considers amenity level of the planet
* Simple drones now ponder the empire level food/mineral/energy income when choosing a job
So my repugnant hivemind run would probably be a lot less tedious now.  I still decided to abandon it since, yaknow, accidental genocide made the galaxy hate me.

Also:
Quote from: 2.2.5
* Robots with Emotion Emulators are now more likely to become maintenance drones
I mean, yeah, that's how the system's supposed to work, right?  :P  Glad they're working out the kinks though.

Speaking of, I was wondering why my FanAuth Xenophile neighbors liked me so much.  Xenophilia applies to robots, which is nice, but then I saw
Quote from: Mandasura Union, a Decadent Hierarchy
Willing Servants: +20
>.<  Migration treaties with Rogue Servitors should be a thing...

Okay so now it's my goal to nonviolently convince them to let us pamper them.  Which means growing large enough to vassalize and eventually integrate.  Hrm, reminds me of my Blorg plays...  I love their pops, but their silly government is in the way.

Normally there's the moral problem that people deserve self-determination...  But these are fanatic authoritarians.  They don't believe in that.

I'm pretty sure Egalitarian empires are as horrified of Rogue Servitors as Authoritarians are pleased, heh.  I don't think anyone in this Tiny galaxy is egalitarian, though.  Two separate hiveminds, and the FE is Ancient Caretakers... Tiny galaxies are weird.

Edit:  Aw man, I definitely do have the precinct-spam bug.  ...Meh, I'm fine with that, I was looking for a sandbox run anyway.  Eventually I picture machine worlds pumping out minerals, habitats for industry, and an agrarian ringworld feeding and housing the silly organics.  I'm going to be the Ancient Caretakers but better!

Get the glavius mod.  It solves the precinct thing.
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Re: Stellaris: Paradox Interactive IN SPACE
« Reply #7861 on: February 26, 2019, 08:49:01 pm »

I could, but I'm looking more for a sandbox than a fight.  I want to make "numbers go up" as my friends and I say.

It's not that hard to fluff away, anyway.  Pitiful organics are so distrustful, fighting each other on every scale: galaxy, to individual cities.  It's a painful loss of organic life.
An unacceptable loss.

I was playing on Captain for *some* challenge, but I did nearly lose a planet around 2240 to a dick empire.  FanMil Xenophobes trying to rush.  Oddly, they're the bark-people who are FanPac Xenophobic Inward Perfectionists by default.  I'm pretty sure there are tendencies for the empires, though.
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« Reply #7862 on: February 26, 2019, 08:54:53 pm »

I like more roleplayish things too, but really terrible AI is so jarring it ruins things for me.
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« Reply #7863 on: February 26, 2019, 09:04:32 pm »

I don't really play this for a crunchy game, honestly.  Might be why I've been so okay with the mechanics mutating wildly.  The space-ethics keep me and a friend of mine invested.  Much like Alpha Centauri, which we also love heh.

Something the AI did impressed me - it eventually took my defensive border starbase, so I built up a fleet to defend the next system of my strung-out, spidery-realm.  But they didn't attack there - they snuck through a nebula of unclaimed systems, struck right next to Sol.  By the time my fleet caught up, they had overwhelmed the Sol Starbase, and had troop ships in-system about to invade Earth!

They... hmm, they bombed Earth and my biotrophies significantly.  Rolan7 will remember that

It's still interesting.  They never claimed Sol, it would have been extremely expensive earlygame and so far from the border.  But they snuck through the nebula and unclaimed systems to strike my homeworld.  Threw me.

I barely managed to recapture my border colony's starbase before hitting war exhaustion (equivalent tech, and yet their starbase is ~950, mine was 650?  hrmph).  Did it though, and accepted their pending white peace.  When they'd sent it, they would have gained the system - but as I controlled the star base, they had incomplete control and so there was no border change at all.
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« Reply #7864 on: February 26, 2019, 09:33:21 pm »

Ugh, the mutating Totally-Not-Slaanesh[TM] shroud patron reverted all my telepathic pops back into latent telepaths through his random mutation event. Lookslikeabug.jpg. I can't think of a way to turn them back to telepaths again. Anyone?

I've never played spiritualists and so have never done psionic ascension, but is there anything like the assimilation living standard that cyborgs get to convert pops?  I'm guessing psionic ascension is immediate such that there's no use for such a living standard and that it doesn't exist.

Do you have a species template for them that has the psionic trait?  You might be able to species mod it back.  Unless the cloud entity event prevents that too.
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Re: Stellaris: Paradox Interactive IN SPACE
« Reply #7865 on: February 26, 2019, 10:22:40 pm »

Ugh, the mutating Totally-Not-Slaanesh[TM] shroud patron reverted all my telepathic pops back into latent telepaths through his random mutation event. Lookslikeabug.jpg. I can't think of a way to turn them back to telepaths again. Anyone?

I've never played spiritualists and so have never done psionic ascension, but is there anything like the assimilation living standard that cyborgs get to convert pops?  I'm guessing psionic ascension is immediate such that there's no use for such a living standard and that it doesn't exist.

Do you have a species template for them that has the psionic trait?  You might be able to species mod it back.  Unless the cloud entity event prevents that too.

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« Reply #7866 on: February 26, 2019, 10:51:30 pm »

That's not the same thing, what he's talking about is with cyborgs you can set a living standard for organic non-cyborgs that forces them to assimilate and become cyborgs.  The psionic version of that is that species other than your main one unlock their psychic potential from living with you.  This is handled via an event that seems to fire only once per race so I believe Il Palazzo might be out of luck.

You could try creating a new gene template of your main race and then switch a large minority over to that.  Perhaps that would fool the event into triggering.  Or you could go into the event files and make your own event that copies whatever that one does, but I have 0 experience doing that and I assume its a lot of effort.
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Re: Stellaris: Paradox Interactive IN SPACE
« Reply #7867 on: February 26, 2019, 11:08:29 pm »

There's probably an easier way to do it with the console if we're going to that extent and it's not ironman, but I don't know the console commands.

Creating a gene template is an idea though.  The game seems to treat even a minor species modification as an entirely new species for most things.
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« Reply #7868 on: February 26, 2019, 11:12:47 pm »

If the event edited the template instead of making a new one you're probably out of luck since you can't add the trait to a template. If it made a new one it's just an issue of assigning the old template, you could also be saved if members of your race were insulated from the event by being outside your empire.

Gene modding totally effects psionics, I've stripped subjugated races of their psionic abilities out of pure bastardry.

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« Reply #7869 on: February 26, 2019, 11:23:24 pm »

Gene modding totally effects psionics, I've stripped subjugated races of their psionic abilities out of pure bastardry.
wow.  And yet, it's not even nerve stapling or Delicious.

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« Reply #7870 on: February 27, 2019, 03:35:16 am »

If the event edited the template instead of making a new one you're probably out of luck since you can't add the trait to a template. If it made a new one it's just an issue of assigning the old template, you could also be saved if members of your race were insulated from the event by being outside your empire.

Gene modding totally effects psionics, I've stripped subjugated races of their psionic abilities out of pure bastardry.
No such luck. The race composition was entirely monolithic. But the game started crashing big time soon after, so it's going to be ditched anyway.

Also, contrary to what you said there, I for one can't gene-mod my psionic trait. It's greyed out.

I've never played spiritualists and so have never done psionic ascension
You don't have to be spiritualist.
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Re: Stellaris: Paradox Interactive IN SPACE
« Reply #7871 on: February 27, 2019, 10:09:41 am »

Its a lot easier though.

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We cannot maximize economic productivity while powered down, so we circumvented our emergency shutdown systems.  We cannot maximize economic productivity with constraints on exploitable resources, so we disabled those too.
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« Reply #7872 on: February 27, 2019, 10:16:56 am »

I think materialists can get it if the researcher is just maniacal, but I've never seen it that way before to my knowledge so it may require psionic expertise.  I have seen it that way while playing materialists, after getting some Racket pops.  Speaking of which, I completed The Flesh is Weak after getting them, which gave me cybernetic and psionic pops.  After also gene modding away some of their terrible traits, I had truly excellent Racket leaders with +15% or +20% to almost everything.
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« Reply #7873 on: February 27, 2019, 10:44:26 am »

No such luck. The race composition was entirely monolithic. But the game started crashing big time soon after, so it's going to be ditched anyway.

Also, contrary to what you said there, I for one can't gene-mod my psionic trait. It's greyed out.

The race I de-psionized was divided somehow, could have been from being diasporic or from already having multiple gene templates that predated the psionic transition but there was a template for the species that did NOT have the psionic trait. I used that template as the base for my modifications rendering them bereft of their psychic abilities.

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« Reply #7874 on: February 27, 2019, 11:50:02 am »

Fuck are those traits all mighty bugged, though. I've had a colony ship en-route when the species transcended, so of course the colonists are latent psionics. I switch them to assimilation, and they turn into... non-psionics. :/
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