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Author Topic: Stellaris: Paradox Interactive IN SPACE  (Read 1177984 times)

Cruxador

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Re: Stellaris: Paradox Interactive IN SPACE
« Reply #7545 on: December 15, 2018, 12:44:36 pm »

...Why is it the xenophobes who like enslaving aliens again? Still makes more sense the other way round.
One imagines it's because slavery is bad and xenophobia is bad so therefore they go together. I don't think there's any deeper reason than that.
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« Reply #7546 on: December 15, 2018, 12:54:31 pm »

If I understand correctly (not having used (organic) slaves), Authoritarian Xenophiles can have slaves.  Widespread slavery in 2200 just requires justification - either Authoritarianism justifies enslaving people, or Xenophobia denies them personhood.

Oh, and my lack of a slavery run was due to the previous UI tedium, same reason I avoided biological ascension.  I'd like to finally try Authoritarian sometime, my friend has a great Hutt run going.
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Re: Stellaris: Paradox Interactive IN SPACE
« Reply #7547 on: December 15, 2018, 12:54:49 pm »

The Xeno must be pacified or exterminated. There can be no negotiation, no peace, unless all Xeno are but servants to the will of the <EMPIRE NAME HERE>. Even complete mastery of the Xeno, body and mind, may not be enough to guarantee our safety.

Or, for my current run: Da Ork Boyz is the best fightaz in da galaxy. Da Xeno is weak, Da Xeno is small, so Da Xeno do da work for us big boyz.
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« Reply #7548 on: December 15, 2018, 12:58:30 pm »

But they're, like, gross. Why would you want to bring the things into our systems just so that we have to waste time managing them?

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« Reply #7549 on: December 15, 2018, 01:28:50 pm »

Personally I'm probably going Tau (and tall) for my slavery run.  Authoritarian++ Xenophilia ho!  I'll get to be on the other end of that migration treaty, receiving apparently willing slaves wishing to join the Greater Good.  Bonus, my own race will also be enslaved heavily stratified.

Orkz, I'd be sorta tempted to take syncretic evolution?  Except all orkz are strong, and grotz are really the same species.
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« Reply #7550 on: December 15, 2018, 01:55:34 pm »

Orkz, I'd be sorta tempted to take syncretic evolution?  Except all orkz are strong, and grotz are really the same species.

It's hard to fit Orks into Stellaris since they're not a single civilization as much as a randomly changing welter of armies, but I could see any given WAAAGH! as Fanatic Militarist Xenophobe Barbaric Despoilers with Warrior Culture.
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Re: Stellaris: Paradox Interactive IN SPACE
« Reply #7551 on: December 15, 2018, 02:30:58 pm »

...Why is it the xenophobes who like enslaving aliens again? Still makes more sense the other way round.
Depends on the type of Xenophobia. Aliens being treated as workhorses with no rights because of their inferiority sounds pretty accurate to Earth politics right now.
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« Reply #7552 on: December 15, 2018, 03:21:20 pm »

Checking the wiki, Barbaric Despoilers specifically can be neutral on the xenophobia scale, so long as they are authoritarian, they just can't be xenophilic. Personally I think it's reasonable to imagine a race that loves to capture slaves because it sees value in them, as the Romans did with the Greeks, but I can at least see the "if you love them, treat them nicely" argument. It's harder to see if why an actively xenophobic nation would import xenos, except out of economic necessity (which doesn't fit with them uniquely having a civic to do it on a large scale) though. You can still become a slaving xenophile with the nihilistic acquisition perk though, if I'm not mistaken, which is probably worth it since it can be in one of those early ascension slots before you've really unlocked any of the best perks.
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« Reply #7553 on: December 15, 2018, 03:36:26 pm »

I don’t see the problem. Xenophobes can be ’ew, icky xenos, keep them away’ and play isolationist, or just as well do ’purge the xeno filth’ exterminating play, or ’xenos are not people, they’re okay beasts of burden though, now the only true race doesn’t have to get their hands dirty anymore with these animals doing all the icky jobs’ and enslave them. Or maybe they’re practical and figure they might as well work them to death as their means of extermination. They’re just different kinds of xenophobes.
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« Reply #7554 on: December 15, 2018, 04:06:42 pm »

Also in this game, livestock is also considering slavery as well.

So I guess in game terms they're just all on that level of the ethics scale.

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« Reply #7555 on: December 15, 2018, 04:14:34 pm »

Is that better then just taking the planet yourself? And, if it is better, how so? Genuinely interested in knowing, not having played Despoilers, but it seems like in most cases, unless perhaps you are out of influence, if you can steal pops, you can just take the planet yourself.
Influence should usually be the limiting factor on what you can take anyway, though.


That's a good point, one would hope this wouldn't be the case, but of course it currently is.
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« Reply #7556 on: December 15, 2018, 04:27:55 pm »

I generally nab a planet or two in one war, then subjugate the next.
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« Reply #7557 on: December 15, 2018, 07:18:09 pm »

Also in this game, livestock is also considering slavery as well.

So I guess in game terms they're just all on that level of the ethics scale.

Well, the livestock in question is sapient, nerve stapled or not.
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« Reply #7558 on: December 15, 2018, 08:04:23 pm »

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This planet deserves an award or something. Like, "worst place to live 2344". I sense a slave revolt incoming.
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« Reply #7559 on: December 15, 2018, 08:28:55 pm »

I sense a slave revolt incoming.
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