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Re: Stellaris: Paradox Interactive IN SPACE
« Reply #7890 on: March 02, 2019, 08:41:30 pm »

Wait, could you wipe out a civilization by abducting out all of their pops so you don't need to bother with bombing them into Tomb Worlds (takes time), using Superweapons (takes extra time), or conquering everything (not always a good thing)?
Raiding abducts pops instead of killing them like ordinary bombing. Instead if sparing the last 10 pops it only spares the last 1. You can't wipe them out but you can THOROUGHLY fuck them if you're a bad enough dude to bomb every planet they have into oblivion.

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« Reply #7891 on: March 02, 2019, 09:39:54 pm »

It did kind of glitch out, though... For the rest of the game there was fighting between the modified species and... themselves? I occasionally had terror bombings and such on that world. The best part? After I had finished modifying my species after biological ascension, the pops on that world suddenly self modified themselves to be stronger due to the infighting - which I quickly applied to the entire species again. Which ended up with me having a species that was both Strong and Very Strong and several points over the max with 100% habitability on single planet type.

Were you playing xenophobes, or is this just a normal part of the self-modified species events?  The self-modified species event is annoying enough that I specifically avoid researching glandular modification for as long as possible to avoid it.

No idea if being able to modify the species afterward is normal.  I haven't seen it in 2.2 to test again.

You must be playing the game very differently. There's always enough low-quality planets in my empire that I'm not interested in colonising.

At 1x habitable worlds I generally end up colonizing everything eventually, but there's usually 1 or 2 planets that are bad enough that I put it off for a while.  I guess those would be worth consecrating, except that you'd probably end up with a low value consecration.  From what I gather, the results vary depending on what you consecrate.
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Re: Stellaris: Paradox Interactive IN SPACE
« Reply #7892 on: March 02, 2019, 10:05:39 pm »

Wait, could you wipe out a civilization by abducting out all of their pops so you don't need to bother with bombing them into Tomb Worlds (takes time), using Superweapons (takes extra time), or conquering everything (not always a good thing)?

Tombing is faster.  Raiding is just selective bombardment but pops get abducted instead of dying.  Without a very large fleet it takes a long time, though it speeds up at higher devastation.  As far as conquering goes, if you've got the infrastructure to handle a pop bomb you can conquer the planet and then just resettle everyone to new planets and leave it uninhabited.

RKVs would be fun as a citadel building.  Near lightspeed slug cannon, expensive and maybe huge energy upkeep while it's charging, maybe one use, long travel time as the slug is sublight, but nearly impossible to stop and tombs planets from multiple systems away.  Add some brinksmanship to your multiplayer games, do you really want to start a war when it might mean MAD?
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Re: Stellaris: Paradox Interactive IN SPACE
« Reply #7893 on: March 03, 2019, 04:33:23 pm »

Were you playing xenophobes, or is this just a normal part of the self-modified species events?  The self-modified species event is annoying enough that I specifically avoid researching glandular modification for as long as possible to avoid it.

No idea if being able to modify the species afterward is normal.  I haven't seen it in 2.2 to test again.

Xenophiles, actually. I think it's just a normal part of the events? I've rarely had the issue before since I usually only colonize mostly habitable worlds, and it only fires if they're on a low habitability world. It just kept popping up about increased racial tensions on the world due to the different offshoot species, despite me having applied the template to my entire species and there only being one. So it ended up going back and forth with the "original species" attacking the "modified species" and vice versa, despite them both actually being identical. Then the "modified species" made themselves more fertile to outbreed the "original" species, except it applied to everyone on the planet because everyone on the planet was the same. Then they later made themselves stronger too. Both of these fired off after I had finished genetic ascension and giving everyone crazy stats, so I ended up with both the fertile trait and the rapid breeders trait and the strong trait and the very strong trait.
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« Reply #7894 on: March 03, 2019, 09:14:16 pm »

That's kind of hilarious, and clearly the event needs to get fixed in similar ways to the alien box such that it gives traits that don't conflict with normal traits in any way.

Vaguely related to this subject, it's kind of funny that xenophobes will trigger similar conflict interests from just having robots on their worlds.  Their own robots.

I haven't seen that happen in 2.2 yet, but it used to happen to me in 2.1 occasionally.
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« Reply #7895 on: March 03, 2019, 10:31:09 pm »

What's so weird about that?  We've got people doing that here on Earth.
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« Reply #7896 on: March 03, 2019, 11:57:14 pm »

It's mostly funny because it's obviously a glitch, or at least poorly explained.  The dialog box refers to xenos and clearly intends the event to be fired by alien species living with your xenophobes, not robots they built.  They don't even have to be synths, and apparently having robotic mining equipment and tractors will send your pops into a riotous frenzy on occasion.  Even materialists.
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« Reply #7897 on: March 04, 2019, 12:19:21 am »

But those robots are taking jobs from people!

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« Reply #7898 on: March 04, 2019, 03:49:50 pm »

What's so weird about that?  We've got people doing that here on Earth.

What's that? People with no functional differences hate each other for subjective, contrived reasons? Horsepoppy!

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« Reply #7899 on: March 04, 2019, 03:58:43 pm »

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RKVs would be fun as a citadel building.  Near lightspeed slug cannon, expensive and maybe huge energy upkeep while it's charging, maybe one use, long travel time as the slug is sublight, but nearly impossible to stop and tombs planets from multiple systems away.  Add some brinksmanship to your multiplayer games, do you really want to start a war when it might mean MAD?

Do you *really* want to wait several years for the impactor to reach even the closest of targets? Perhaps better would be some form of superluminal weapon that fires shells from system border to system border as if using a jump drive with extended range, and has a very fast in-system velocity. You can shoot it down if (if) you've got fleets close enough to intercept.... but you'd better be packing lasers and some good FC or you're not going to burn off enough of the massive shell before your planet gets turned into 1/2 planet and 1/2 brand-new ring system.

Or, you know, just make it nigh-uninterceptable save by planetary defenses (and even then only high-power laser type weapons or the occasional lucky kinetic strike) and have it truly be a bad idea to attack anyone who's got these things (make FEs extremely difficult to just steamroll even in the later stages of the game, anyone? You might just need to sacrifice something to the superweapon before you manage to finally defeat them...)

But yeah, besides the details I think it would be hilarious and awesome to be able to construct something like that.
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« Reply #7900 on: March 04, 2019, 04:43:08 pm »

The planetary shield building could counter the attack (it's a "rare" technology after all!) and some modder might even notice eventually!
(Unless I'm overestimating how useless the planetary shield is.  I don't think it even gives research, anymore.  A stability bonus would be nice.)
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« Reply #7901 on: March 04, 2019, 05:00:44 pm »

Well, one logical endpoint of the faster than light kill vehicle concept is essentially a momentum-based evolution of the fire ship: a ship built with big engines and little else, set to FTL to the target, accelerate as fast as possible and stay on target until it hits (hopefully with the crew abandoning ship along the way.) A new weapon type that also destroys the firing ship and a hull type to hold it doesn't seem out of reach of modders.

Another, given wormhole technology, is a gateway with one terminus fixed at the mouth of the space cannon and the other moved to the target system in advance of the shot. This too would seem moddable as a district and weapon component sharing a resource.
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« Reply #7902 on: March 04, 2019, 05:05:55 pm »

Well, one logical endpoint of the faster than light kill vehicle concept is essentially a momentum-based evolution of the fire ship: a ship built with big engines and little else, set to FTL to the target, accelerate as fast as possible and stay on target until it hits (hopefully with the crew abandoning ship along the way.) A new weapon type that also destroys the firing ship and a hull type to hold it doesn't seem out of reach of modders.

Another, given wormhole technology, is a gateway with one terminus fixed at the mouth of the space cannon and the other moved to the target system in advance of the shot. This too would seem moddable as a district and weapon component sharing a resource.
Nicole Dyson Beam Gigastructures mod. Pretty much exactly what you described, build the site around a star, build a marker over the target and bang.  8)

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Re: Stellaris: Paradox Interactive IN SPACE
« Reply #7903 on: March 05, 2019, 09:50:00 pm »

One of the events does describe a ship coming out of warp and plowing into a planet at full speed.  Letting you do that with ships would be OP though.  Really it just emphasizes the fact that interstellar space travel eliminates any kind of fun space battle because every ship is a planet-killing missile, unless you handwave.

Which is fine.  Realism is sci fi's servant, consistency is sci fi's king.
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« Reply #7904 on: March 06, 2019, 07:45:15 am »

Space battles are totally capable of being no fun without interstellar travel.
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