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[Sanctume]

I'm interested, but never played any succession type before. 
I've read the gist of the objective: trade prepared meals, and drinks, and no below ground farms. 
I'll miss the quarry bush and rock nuts, but I can handle that.
And, as I mentioned, I've not dealt with high-pop above ground and the first thing I looked for was the magma forge.

I will have time after work to look at whichever latest save file is available.  Just let know.

[Bearskie]

You'll do fine with 160 dwarves . Just pick a grand megaproject, and they'll have their hands full for the rest of the year. This ain't Bonepillar or anything, so the worst that could happen in a screw-up is chronic inefficiency (or even more flooding).

[Sanctume]

I did a perusal and made some notes from the last posted save, even though I'm not officially on yet. 
I just wanted to study the set up.

The most important note I would say is that the constructed floors by the Mason's shop above Cavern 1 may be in danger of "trees growing up onto construction" that would generate an df.exe not responding crash.

1st Granite, 240, Early Spring
City Imarust, “Breadbowl”

Spoiler: Pantry (click to show/hide)

drinks [1635]
prepared meals [1863]
meat [201]
fish [3]
raw fish [69]
egg [none]
plants [8907]
cheese [none]
food powder
rye flour [21]
rice flour [4]
maize flour [3]
whip vine flour [8]
leaves [848]
liquid milk [~40]
seeds [1023]

Spoiler: Farm Plots (click to show/hide)

1. Blade weed 10x2 (less 3)
2. Horned melon vines 10x2
3. Maize plants 10x2 (less 2)
4.1 Sweet potato plants 5x2 (less 2)
4.2 Sweet potato plants 5x2 (less 3)
5.1 Prickle berries 5x2 (less 3)
5.2 Prickle berries 5x2 (less 1)
5.3 Watermelon vines 2x10
6.1 Rice plants 5x2 (less 2)
6.2 Rice plants 5x2 (less 1)
7.1 Rye 2x2
7.2 Whip vines 2x2 (less 1)
7.3 Whip vines 5x2 (less 1)
8.1 Potato plants 3x2 (less 1)
8.2 Potato plants 1x2
8.3 Potato plants 5x2 (less 3)
9.1 Whip vines 5x2
9.2 Barley 5x2
10.1 Prickle berries 5x2 (less 3)
10.2 Prickle berries 5x2 (less 1)
11.1 Fisher berries 5x2 (less 2)
11.2 Potato plants 5x2
12.1 Red spinach 5x2 (less 2)
12.2 Rat weed 5x2
13 Sliver barbs 10x2 (less 1)
14 Rye 10x2 (less 5)

Spoiler: Structures (click to show/hide)

1.
1.1 Refuse stockpile
1.2 Tanner shop
1.3 Butcher shop
1.4 Craftsdwarf shop
1.5 Corpse Pit
2.
2.1 Fishery
2.2 Still
2.3 Soap Maker’s Workshop
2.4 Kitchen
2.5 Farmer’s Workshop
2.6 Fishery
2.7 Still
2.8 Millstone x7
2.9 Still
2.10 Kitchen
2.11 Farmer’s Workshop
2.12 Fishery
2.13 Windmills x4
z-1
2.14 Food prep stockpile
2.15 Still
2.16 Kitchen
2.17 Kitchen
2.18 Kitchen
3.
3.1 Carpenter’s Workshop
3.2 Bowyer’s Workshop
3.3 Wood Furnace
3.4 Leather Works
3.5 Dinning Hall
3.6 Barracks
3.7 Weapon stockpile
z-1
3.8 Hospital
z+1 3.9 Bedrooms
z+2 3.10 Bedrooms
z+3 3.11 Bedrooms
4.
4.1 Smelter
4.2 Smelter
4.3 Metalsmith’s Forge
4.4 Metalsmith’s Forge
5.
5.1 Clothier’s Shop
5.2 Loom
5.3 Dyer’s Shop
5.4 Loom
5.5 Leather Works
5.6 Stockpile: Leather and Cloth
6.
6.1 Animal Stockpile
6.2 Chicken
6.3 Turkey
6.4 Peacock
6.5 Goose
6.6 Cavy Pup
6.7 Goat
6.8 Rabbit
6.9 Alpaca
6.10 Elkbird
6.11 Giant Louse
6.12 Llama
6.13 Pig
6.14 Dog
6.15 Sheep
6.16 Olm
6.17 Sheep
6.18 Milk
6.19 Aardvark
6.20 Sloth Bear
6.21 Coati
6.22 Giant Hamster
6.23 Reindeer
6.24 Farmer’s Workshop
6.25 Giant Hyena
6.26 Giant Gray Langur
6.27 Mule
6.28 Donkey
6.29 Two-hump Camel
6.30 Water Buffalo
6.31 Wild Boar
6.32 Spider Monkey
6.33 Horse
6.34 Bull
7. Bedrooms
8.
8.1 Furniture Stockpile

Spoiler: testing forum-dwarves `Sanctume' Olinlelum (click to show/hide)

  `Sanctume' Olinlelum, "`Sanctume' Tongswane", Macedwarf   
"I wouldn't feel comfortable getting all dressed up."
Within the last season, he was grouchy when caught in the rain.  He was blissful after sleeping in a great bedroom.  He felt pleasure near a fine Table.  He felt pleasure near a fine Table.  He felt pleasure near a fine Seat.  He felt pleasure after a sparring session. 
He is married to Zasit Gazepaged and has one child:  As Urntheater.  He is the son of Morul Paintedslick and Kadol Rulerocks. 
He is a citizen of The Old Nets.  He is a member of The Farm of Hammers.  He is a former member of The Bent Wire.  He arrived at Imarust on the 21st of Slate in the year 239. 
He is one hundred ten years old, born on the 8th of Obsidian in the year 130. 
He is muscular.  His eyes are slate gray.  His hair is greasy.  His short sideburns are neatly combed.  His very long moustache is neatly combed.  His very long beard is arranged in double braids.  His short hair is neatly combed.  He has a recessed chin.  His somewhat splayed out ears are broad.  His head is somewhat broad.  His hair is gray mixed with burnt sienna.  His skin is ecru.  His nose bridge is slightly convex. 
He is indefatigable, quite durable, very agile and strong. 
`Sanctume' Olinlelum likes bauxite, gold, fortification agate, giant wolverine bone, the color mauve, gems, maces, gauntlets, grates, crowns and trumpets.  When possible, he prefers to consume naked mole dog, nautilus, gutter cruor and peppers.  He absolutely detests flies. 
He has a stunning feel for spatial relationships, an iron will, a sharp intellect, a great memory and the ability to focus. 
Like others in his culture, he holds craftsdwarfship to be of the highest ideals and celebrates talented artisans and their masterworks, has a great deal of respect for the law, greatly prizes loyalty, values family greatly, sees friendship as one of the finer things in life, believes that honesty is a high ideal, greatly respects artists and their works, really respects those that take the time to master a skill, deeply respects those that work hard at their labors, values cooperation, finds merrymaking and partying worthwhile activities, values martial prowess, values leisure time, respects commerce and finds nature somewhat disturbing.  He personally sees life as unfair and doesn't mind it that way.  He dreams of mastering a skill. 
He does not generally respond to emotional appeals.  He takes no pleasure in his talents and appearance.  He finds a chaotic mess preferable to the boredom of harmonious living.  He prefers to present himself modestly.  He has an active sense of humor.  He has a noticeable lack of perseverance.  He is slow to trust others.  He is quite comfortable with others that have a different appearance or culture.  When he's thinking, his body becomes very still.  He talks to himself when he's thinking.  He needs alcohol to get through the working day. 

A short, sturdy creature fond of drink and industry.

[Gwolfski]

I request to be redworfed as a mechanic and duke immediately!
Also, move me down the turnlist.

[Sanctume]

Holy crap, it's late.

So I played some more... the unpause lead to a siege, and a strange mood for a metalsmith's forge using steel bar.
The retracting bridge worked, but the 4/7 to 6/7 water is swimming time to some goblins, so there was some fight inside the walls.

I took some screen shots, and some notes, and it's only the 13th of granite and the mood is just starting the mysterious creation.  Going to bed.

p.s. Let me know if this will be an official play.  I'm cool with it being just my own test run and not count.

[Sanctume]

I request to be redworfed as a mechanic and duke immediately!
Also, move me down the turnlist.

Here's the info from the latest save.

Spoiler: Gwolfski (click to show/hide)

  `Gwolfski' Uristirtir, "`Gwolfski' Daggerdangles", duke of Breadbowl   
"It was raining on me.  So annoying!"
He is annoyed when caught in the rain.  Within the last season, he felt satisfied at work.  He felt pleasure near a fine Seat.  He felt pleasure near a fine Table.  He felt pleasure near a fine Table.  He felt pleasure near a fine Table.  He felt pleasure near a fine Seat.  He felt jovial to have a mandate deadline met.  He felt pleasure near a fine Table.  He felt pleasure near a fine Seat.  He felt pleasure near a fine Table.  He felt pleasure near his own fine Seat.  He felt pleasure near a fine Seat.  He felt pleasure near a fine Table.  He didn't feel anything after seeing a giant gray langur die.  He didn't feel anything after seeing a giant wild boar die.  He was horrified after seeing the goblin Em Hideseduced die.  He was horrified after seeing the goblin Azstrog Stealankles die.  He didn't feel anything after seeing a elk bird die.  He didn't feel anything after seeing a draltha die.  He didn't feel anything after seeing a monitor lizard die.  He didn't feel anything after seeing a giant wild boar die. 
He is a worshipper of Istrath and a casual worshipper of Tecak. 
He is a citizen of The Old Nets.  He is a member of The Farm of Hammers.  He is the militia captain of The Farm of Hammers.  He is the duke of The Old Nets.  He is the former baron of The Old Nets.  He is the former count of The Old Nets.  He arrived at Imarust on the 15th of Granite in the year 236. 
He is ninety years old, born on the 4th of Sandstone in the year 150. 
He is corpulent.  His eyes are slate gray.  His sideburns are clean-shaven.  His very long moustache is neatly combed.  His very long beard is arranged in double braids.  His hair is clean-shaven.  His nose is incredibly upturned.  He has high cheekbones.  His copper skin is wrinkled.  His nose bridge is somewhat concave.  His hair is burnt sienna with flecks of gray. 
He is quite susceptible to disease and very quick to tire. 
`Gwolfski' Uristirtir likes native platinum, bronze, amethyst, crystal glass, octopus leather, the color pine green, battle axes, millstones, hippos for their strength and horned melon vines for their fruit.  When possible, he prefers to consume goat, salmon and single-grain wheat beer.  He absolutely detests leeches. 
He has a great sense of empathy, the ability to focus and willpower. 
Like others in his culture, he holds craftsdwarfship to be of the highest ideals and celebrates talented artisans and their masterworks, values family greatly, sees friendship as one of the finer things in life, believes that honesty is a high ideal, greatly respects artists and their works, really respects those that take the time to master a skill, deeply respects those that work hard at their labors, respects fair-dealing and fair-play, values cooperation, finds merrymaking and partying worthwhile activities, values martial prowess, values leisure time, respects commerce and finds nature somewhat disturbing.  He personally sees the denial of impulses as a vain and foolish pursuit, values romance, doesn't respect a society that has settled into harmony without debate and strife, does not respect the law and views loyalty unfavorably.  He dreams of creating a great work of art, and this dream was realized. 
He has no ambition whatsoever.  He cuts any corners possible when working on a project, regardless of the consequences, rather than wasting effort or resources.  He is concerned only with matters practical to the situation at hand, with absolutely no inclination toward abstract discussion.  He does not enjoy participating in physical confrontations, and he works to square this natural tendency with his respect of martial prowess.  He has a very calm demeanor.  He often feels envious of others.  He tends to share his own experiences and thoughts with others.  He tends to think before acting.  He is slow to anger.  He is assertive.  He doesn't often experience strong cravings or urges, and he is troubled by this because he values such powerful forces in life.  He has a greedy streak.  He generally acts with a narrow focus on the current activity.  He tends to form only tenuous emotional bonds with others.  He rarely feels discouraged.  He generally acts impartially and is rarely moved to mercy.  He is trusting.  He needs alcohol to get through the working day.  He likes working outdoors and grumbles only mildly at inclement weather. 

A short, sturdy creature fond of drink and industry.

[QuQuasar]

p.s. Let me know if this will be an official play.  I'm cool with it being just my own test run and not count.

It's all a bit up in the air at the moment, so try not to get your hopes up. Depends on the schedules of Hiddenleafguy and Taupe.

That said, you're on the turnlist.

[Gwolfski]

fancy me as the law-giver for this settlement.

doesn't respect a society that has settled into harmony without debate and strife, does not respect the law and views loyalty unfavorably.

[Sanctume]

p.s. Let me know if this will be an official play.  I'm cool with it being just my own test run and not count.

It's all a bit up in the air at the moment, so try not to get your hopes up. Depends on the schedules of Hiddenleafguy and Taupe.

That said, you're on the turnlist.

That's cool, thanks.

If it happens then I'm ahead somewhat if the next batch of 3 goblins swim across. 
But the last battle report  I had when I saved, a hunter was outside the wall on the north-east area, despite the civilian alert activated.

Anyway, I was thinking for a mini project is to establish glass making on the patches of sand available inside. 
Chop some of the trees near the inner walls for fuel.
Then of course make the green glass floor / ceiling, and make the above-ground farm plots below so the goal of making food continues even when there's a siege going.

I'll re-read the previous posts and see come common theme/style on how I would narrate the events.

p.s. My recent activity in the DF Community Games is Minecart Barons
It's not a succession game, but it was fun because I get to play the last save and come up with a design plan on where the next fortress embark can be.

Breadbowl, has a more permanent outcome being a succession game, which I've never participated before.

edit: typos, etc.

[Sanctume]

Rules
...
* Enclosed crops (aboveground crops underneath some sort of roof) are allowed, on one condition: the roof must be made of clear glass. This is likely to be a worthwhile investment despite the cost of clear glass, as it's quite possible an ill-timed siege could starve you out.

Doh, clear glass is different from green glass, scratch that mini project idea.

Maybe I'll build a seige tower that is 5z high of circuitous path, with a raising bridge access to the inner walls.

B this siege tower is only supported by a support. So once the bridge is raised, the support is also exploded causing the siege tower to collapse along with all the goblins and trolls to are in it.

It will be pancaked.  Can we make prepared meals out of pancake?

[QuQuasar]

Clear glass is a fun industry. It uses only renewable materials, (1 sand, 1 wood, 2 fuel = 1 clear glass), but the production chain is complicated, requiring 4 seperate workshops and labours, as well as item hauling for the sandbags.

Wood => Wood Furnace => Ash
       
Ash => Ashery => Potash
       
Potash + Fuel => Kiln => Pearlash
       
Sand bag + Pearlash + Fuel => Glassmakers shop => Clear Glass

[The goblins] will be pancaked.  Can we make prepared meals out of pancake?

"I do not like them, Sam-I-am.
       
I do not like green eggs and ham."

[Sanctume]

I loaded my unofficial save last night, but did not save the progress. 

I failed to rescue the lone hunter who got punched to death by a goblin recruit.
I did not want to risk dropping the bridges and let in the 6 troll + 40 goblin siege. 
Of those, I killed only 2 goblins and 1 troll who swam across. 

The metalsmith forge strange mood made a steel chest, talk about a let down, lol.

As I studied the layout, I was able to fit 2 Glass Furnace, 1 Kiln, and 1 Ashery on the 3rd floor above the Wood Burner.
There's a nice sand tile just outside this building too. 
Tested manager job queue for 30 sand, Ash, Potash, Pearlash, and Clear Glass seemed to work ok. 

Then I listed and sorted the plants into:

Spoiler: "Brew Only," "Brew and Cook," "Cook Only," and "Dye" (click to show/hide)

Brew (only)
1. Barley
2. Maize plants
3. Rice plants
4. Rye
5. Whip vines

Cook or Brew
6. Fisher berries
7. Potato plants
8. Prickle berries
9. Rat weed

Cook
10. Horned melon vines
11. Red spinach
12. Watermelon vines
13. Sweet potato plants

Dye
14.1 Blade weed
14.2 Sliver barbs

There can be 2 farm plots that are 5x3 on a north/south configuration.  With 1 tile space between. 
This means 14 sets of these farm plots across will fit nicely. And room to setup a stockpile distribution for efficient output.
Perfect for the 2x 5x3 farm plots each of the brewable and cookable plants.  And 1 each 5x3 for the dye.

FPS dropped around 20 to 50, so it wasn't bad. 

I made a "Outside Path" burrow and it works to wall the south-west portion since the siege are stuck on the north-west.
I mean, the crops are starting to wilt waiting for the siege to leave, so keep them working within the walls.

Anyway, I started wondering if I can shoot catapults over walls, then went to bed.

[Urist McVoyager]

No, right now siege weapons can only stay on one level. You can shoot through fortifications but that's all.

[Sanctume]

Added Disclaimer: This story is not part of the official Breadbowl story line, but can "fit" since there are plenty of undorfed citizens. It's geared towards Kitchen Stories.

As stories goes, names have been changed to protect the innocent in Breadbowl...
I

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

As Jeweltrade arrived in Breadbowl in the year 240 at the age of 11.  She was the only child in this migration group, and was left to her own devise to wander about this barony.

Many sounds of animals can be heard to the south. Among which, “Uh uh wah.. uh wah eeh ehh,” can be heard just beyond the wooden palisades.  Grunts, and grumble, followed by a loud thud from a wooden door shutting peaked As’ curiosity. 

She petted lambs, llamas, and a giant hamster along the way toward the noise that interests her.  A male dwarf, older than her (but not by much), has been busy dragging a gray haired creature in the farmer’s workshop. 

She quietly observed and giggled when she realizes the folly of the situation.  The giggle distracted the male dwarf (older but not by much) as the gray creature freed itself and ran towards a door on the opposite side.  He turned around to see her and in doing so, tipped over a bucket that was empty. 

“Hullo child,” he greeted, “something funny?”
“Yes,” she responded, “you.”
“And what is funny child,” he emphasized on the word ‘child.’
“I may be a child now, but my nameday will be soon enough to warrant respect as a citizen.
“I see, and that is why you fancy this place of my labor?” 
“That, and the noise that peaked my curiousity,” responded As.

A sour face painted Ubil Arrowpadded, “that creature, that you help distract and free from my grasp, is a giant gray langur. I was busy milking it.”

As started cackling to the point of her stomach aching.  She has to sit down on the dirt ground from the unstoppable convulsion that might follow to this floodgate of hilarity. 

“Child,” began Ubil holding his temper, “I am Ubil, apprentice to master Zon Cartchannel, the Handler of Animals here in Breadbowl.  I am busy.”  Ubil left her on the ground and went after the langur.

“Wait, I want to come and watch,” exclaimed As.

“Just don’t be in my way,” muttered Ubil and proceed to corner the langur.

As soon as Ubil starts to struggle with the langur back in the farmer’s workshop, As started cackling uncontrollably as if a great madness is inflicted upon her.  Tears and snot started flowing, and the laughter turned into snorts.  Dirt mixed with tears and snot smeared into mud across her from this humor she only possess while she rolls on the dirt to Ubil’s pondering and rising temper.

Again, the langur manage to free itself and exit beyond the door. 

Ubil sighs, and help the girl up from her laughing fit on the ground.  “Get up now child, you remind me of the pigs I need to clean next with all the mud on you face.”

This sombered up As because this gentle dwarf was still nice to her, but she still has to struggle shut this floodgate of hilarity. “it’s just that… it’s just… I am As. And just recently arrived.”

“Welcome to Breadbowl,” said Ubil, “I am Ubil Arrowpadded” and still holding her hands.

“As Jeweltrade,” and they looked at each other for some time holding hands when she started cackling in glee.
Some temper seeped out of Ubil, “what is wrong with you, CHILD?”

“It’s not me.  It’s you.  You are trying to milk a giant grey langur that is a male.”

Ubil’s seeping temper turned ice, then melted from the hot red-faced embarrassment of the thought. “Oh my beard! I was pulling on it, thinking it was teats!”

As continued to cackle to breathlessness, and Ubil joined her in the flood of hilarity.

Humor spent, Ubil confessed with sadness, “Look As, my nameday was yesterday and I spent most of my days at the farm plots.  Master Zon told me to do these tasks.”

As nodded with a smile, “I like animals even when they are dead, so I’ve seen plenty labor at a farmer’s labor and butcher shops.  I saw the female langur cowering in the corner behind a bush.” 

And so the day went on.  As observed Ubil milk a giant gray langur, a female this time, and also create a -giant gray langur cheese- and followed him to the Food pantry below a rather large wooden cave above the ground.

“I suppose I will see you around Ubil.  I must go find the meeting hall with the others.”

Ubil’s response was interrupted by shouting, “A siege. A siege has come. Everyone Inside!”

Only the names of the innocents...
II

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Tun Brassbellow is also an apprenctice of master Zon Cartchannel that is assigned to the butcher's shop today.  He is not quite 13 in age, but older than Ubil Arrowpadded.

"Meat is meat," argued Ubil, "they all go to the same barrel, the same meat pile."

"Yes, I grant you that, but these meat here are special," pointed Tun at the far corner. 

"what makes them special," asked Ubil.

...
It was 8th of slate in the year 238 of our Lord Armok.
I was but a child then when my family migrated here in Breadbowl.

Tun's thought lingered on the memory of that baby in the well and shuddered...

Anyway, I remember well that copper barrels were made to much conflict between with Captain Taupe and the smith Olon.  Some of those copper barrels were place here, but empty.  And no one seemed to use them. 

One particular hunt, The Eternal Wild Boar Hunt of Galena, produced much giant wild boar meat.  These boars were twenty times the size of you!  Huge and the meal pile overflowed. 

The master of Butchers back then set aside a separate meat pile here in this corner, and copper barrels were used. 

But the hunt did not just produce boat meat.  There was a fight between a war dog and a giant hamster.  To make a long story short, the war dog kept the bones, and the giant hamster meat are in the copper barrels.
...


"So, these meat you see here are well salted and prepared since," Tun quietly said, "and I've sneaked some out to create a simple meal during my cooking apprenticeship while everyone was busy hauling our lavish meals and drinks to the Depot."

Ubil's eyes opened wide in surprise, "you kept food away from the King’s Mandate?" 

Tun corrected, "no, the rules said that existing stocks are to be traded away. It did not say newly cooked ones do. Besides, it was a simple meal and I ate it myself!"

"You did," exclaimed Ubil, "you're allowed to do that?" 

"Well not really, but I was just tasting it, and then finished it. Anyway, my point is that this meat is special, and nobody seems to use it when they cook meals," Tun proudly declared.

"Special giant hamster meat in copper barrels," a quiet voice said, "and nobody knows of it except us?"

Tun jumped in surprise and turned around, "You! You've been sneaking around the shop all day, who are you?" 

"Hullo As," said Ubil, "As, this is Tun.  Tun, this is As.  She helped me in that milking and cheese labor even though she's still a child." 

"Not for long Ubil," As added, "nice to meat you Tun, so you're the butcher here?"

"I am a novice butcher under master Zon, but also dabble in cooking," grins Tun. 

"I wonder where the overseer will send me," pondered As, "I dabble in everything farm related including the butcher's shop.” 

"Do you want to taste some giant hamster biscuit," asked Tun excitedly.

"Yes," answered Ubil and As in unison.

[QuQuasar]

(parallel universe)

I think I finally found a method for swim training I'm happy with. It's not automatic, but it's really fast (5 days to Novice, another 6 to Adequate) and easy to implement, and nobody drowns horribly.



(Edit) Spoke too soon. I opened the drainage bridge and everyone was washed into the well. Two babies, an adult, and Lord Brassroast drowned, and another baby had it's foot cut off by someone's silver battle axe in the chaos. So yeah. Don't do that in your designs..