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[martinuzz]

You forgot the part where the gays are put into concentration camps, first concentration camps in Europe for LGBT people since Hitler.

I thought you were kidding but apparently you were not.

Human Rights Watch has called upon western countries to supply emergency visa for gay people that can manage to reach their embassies in Russia.
A few hundred gay men have been arrested in CHechen. At least 3 were murdered by the police, at least one was murdered by his own family, after being anal raped with wooden poles and glass bottles by the police, and forced to confess his sexuality in front of his family. Many of the arrested are missing.
According to Boris Dittrich, former dutch politician and now director of LGBT rights at HRW, he has not seen large scale and brutal violence against gays since he started working at HRW 10 years ago.

Next week he will attend a UN meeting in New York, where he will try to put the issue higher on the agenda.
According to Dittrich, Putin has the power to end this, by disciplining his vassal Kadyrov.
The Kremlin however, abstains. The only statement it made is that they cannot verify the accusations made by HRW and Novaja Gazeta from reliable sources.

Meanwhile, journalists at the Novaja Gazeta newspaper are fearing for their safety. Since the publication of their article, CHechen authorities, clerics, and clan leaders want their heads. A Chechen government minister demanded an apology from the newspaper for daring to write about the 'deadly sin, sodomy'.
The newspaper does have some reason to fear for their safety.
In 2006, one of the newspaper's journalists, Anna Politikovskaya, was murdered in Moscow. The murder was never solved.

According to the Kremlin, 'not a single gay has reported abuse with the authorities'. Duh. It's the aurhorities that are anal raping and killing them, ofcourse they haven't reported abuse.

I fear we'll find the couple of hundred missing gays in a mass grave somewhere, a couple of decades from now

http://www.volkskrant.nl/buitenland/homo-s-tsjetsjenie-ontvoerd-en-gemarteld-human-rights-watch-wil-noodvisa~a4487733/

[redwallzyl]

Anyone interested in discussing Turkey's further decent into dictatorship today?

[TheBiggerFish]

...spork.

[Starver]

Hadn't heard the result, yet, but assume Turkey has actually not voted for Christmas, yes?

(Had that joke in mind for ages, such that I feel that it would be spoiling it to look up the actual news.)

[Azzuro]

Yes is at 51.31% as of the time I'm posting this, with 98.36% of ballots counted according to CNNturk. Turkey's definitely in for a doubling down of the dictatorship. Rumours of pre-stamped ballots have also started cropping up already. The interesting thing to see will be how the overseas Turks voted, especially in the Netherlands.

[Starver]

Yes is at 51.31% as of the time I'm posting this

Almost an overwhelming majority, that...  And then there's the millions of fraudulent contrary votes that will have to be discounted.

(I may even end up not even be being satirical, before long, but actually prophetic.)

[martinuzz]

Turkish opposition has already called for a recount of more than half of the votes.

[redwallzyl]

Turkey in a few years

anyway i have been seeing a bunch of idiots saying make Turkey great again. that stupid phrase needs to die. i will enjoy their tears when their delusion collapses around their ears like it always does. also i 100% expect that the vote was rigged.

found this:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

[TheDarkStar]

The vote in Turkey was completely unsurprising - yet another referendum that drastically reduces the freedom in a nation while being "close" to make it seem like it isn't completely rigged. You do have to give Erdogan credit for making it seem like he'll have to eventually step down - he put what seems like a 5-year limit into the referendum but in practice will be 12 years (2 five-year terms starting in 2019, according to what I've read) by which point he'll either have enough power to extend that to more terms or he'll be old enough and decide to retire anyway.

[Sheb]

I'm not sure the ballot were actually stuffed: the jailing of many opposition politicians, the control of the media and the banning of opposition material probably was enough.

[Sergarr]

So yeah, Turkey is now gonna be the Ottoman Empire. Sad stuff.

Also, didn't know where to put it, so I'll do it here:

Spoiler: I bet you've never seen T-90 look like this (click to show/hide)

It'd make for a great "demonic tank".

[martinuzz]

Heh, 70% of Dutch Turks apparently voted YES. Contrast that to the UK, where 80% of the English Turks voted NO.

To be a bit fair, the change didn't make Erdogan a dictator yet. It gives him about the same power as the US president. Then again, it could be argued that the US is a dictatorship as well.

[Sheb]

Heh, 70% of Dutch Turks apparently voted YES. Contrast that to the UK, where 80% of the English Turks voted NO.

To be a bit fair, the change didn't make Erdogan a dictator yet. It gives him about the same power as the US president. Then again, it could be argued that the US is a dictatorship as well.

Apparently 75% yes in Belgium too. I guess it's related to origin of migrants: the Turks of Belgium and Netherlands who mostly came in guest-worker scheme are mostly from the Anatolia region which are staunchly pro-Erdogan. I guess the UK Turks are more recent immigrants from the cities.

[Azzuro]

If anything, I don't think the Turkish government actually had to outright interfere with the vote, because if they did, they likely wouldn't leave it down to a hair's breadth win. Never underestimate what controlling all media, purging opposition politicians and turning government apparatus to your benefit will do for shifting votes.

[Loud Whispers]

Apparently 75% yes in Belgium too. I guess it's related to origin of migrants: the Turks of Belgium and Netherlands who mostly came in guest-worker scheme are mostly from the Anatolia region which are staunchly pro-Erdogan. I guess the UK Turks are more recent immigrants from the cities.

Far from recent, the Turkish community in the UK is old, dates back centuries from when the English allied with/freed imprisoned Turks from Spanish rivals. The next big wave would come from the secular reformers, many of whom tried to reform the Ottoman Empire and were trained or educated mainly in Paris or London, and would take refuge in London over the course of the world war. The largest wave so far came mainly from Cyprus with loads of Turkish Cypriots, while the later mainland Anatolian Turks arriving tended to be students or highly educated professionals - not exactly the kinds of people appealed by the death of academic freedom